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all good info though, really like reading how everyone else ensures continuity of their data if they were to experience an issue. great to see folks leveraging cloud based services, VPS'es running rsync, etc.
 
trizz said:
Glacier is cheap, 1cent per GIG. So 500gig = 5 bux! Glacier is not tape based. AWS has no tapes in any availability zones, in any datacenters. Thats not how they roll. Reduced redundancy just takes amazon s3 files from 99.999999999% to 99.99%. perfectly acceptable.
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They do use tape...or at least they used to. That's one reason it takes so long to gain access to the data.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/18/ipexpo_2012/
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You're forgetting the $60 it would actually take to retrieve the 500gigs of data. ;) I'll glady pay $2 more per month to be able to have access to my data immediately, and without additional fees.

Up to 10 TB / month $0.120 per GB
 
trizz said:
My server backup for a forum with 62,000 users, 17M posts, and a heavy amount of images for a few side apps on our site is literally 10cents per backup since I shunt the files into glacier.
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But how much are you storing? Presuming you do standard daily, weekly, and monthly backups then Glacier will be costing you no less than $11 per month, unless you are incurring the early deletion fee for removing Gb prior to 3 months - and thus your charge becomes .04 per GB, or 40c per backup.
 
WSWD said:
They do use tape...or at least they used to. That's one reason it takes so long to gain access to the data.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/18/ipexpo_2012/
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You're forgetting the $60 it would actually take to retrieve the 500gigs of data. ;) I'll glady pay $2 more per month to be able to have access to my data immediately, and without additional fees.

Up to 10 TB / month $0.120 per GB
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I assure you, they do *not* use tape media in Glacier (plz see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Glacier and other links around the interwebs). They do however use commodity drives. The reason it takes so long to access the data is the way its stored and grouped.

Again, not saying any way in particular is wrong. Its good to see different backup methodologies being used.
 
Mouth said:
But how much are you storing? Presuming you do standard daily, weekly, and monthly backups then Glacier will be costing you no less than $11 per month, unless you are incurring the early deletion fee for removing Gb prior to 3 months - and thus your charge becomes .04 per GB, or 40c per backup.
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My archive, after compression and encryption, is usually right under 8gig. I do daily backups, then save the last backup in the week. When I upload to S3 I push to Glacier immediately. At the end of the month I have 4 weekly rollups, after doing dailies, etc. I retain all rollup files for 90 days, so have a rolling archive of 12 full weekly backups, plus the most recent weeks dailies that never last more than a week.

So far so good, Amazon bill is nice and small and Ive got a ****ton of data pushed into glacier.
 
trizz said:
Again, not saying any way in particular is wrong. Its good to see different backup methodologies being used.
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Not "wrong", it just doesn't make much sense in web hosting. It's silly to host any large amount of hosting data at Glacier. Like I said, it just isn't cost-effective and takes way too long to access the data.
 
trizz said:
My archive, after compression and encryption, is usually right under 8gig. I do daily backups, then save the last backup in the week. When I upload to S3 I push to Glacier immediately. At the end of the month I have 4 weekly rollups, after doing dailies, etc. I retain all rollup files for 90 days, so have a rolling archive of 12 full weekly backups, plus the most recent weeks dailies that never last more than a week.

So far so good, Amazon bill is nice and small and Ive got a ****ton of data pushed into glacier.
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If you are deleting the 6 dailys, then it's an early deletion fee of $0.03 per Gb = ~$1.40 per week. So your @ $4.20 per month to start. Plus ~$1.00 for your rollups giving around $5 per mth. For the additional $2 per month, you could have piece of mind for instant backups with no 5 hr wait time for restore and de-crypt/de-compress, and the ability to store a lot more data as your site grows with no additional cost.
 
WSWD said:
Not "wrong", it just doesn't make much sense in web hosting. It's silly to host any large amount of hosting data at Glacier. Like I said, it just isn't cost-effective and takes way too long to access the data.
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I'm using S3 Glacier for 2Gb monthly's, as a disaster recovery. With 12 months it's only costing $0.24 per mth, growing at $0.02 per month. A tiny price to pay for long-term storage in case something happens to the storage/backup VPS. That makes good sense to me :)
 
Mouth said:
I'm using S3 Glacier for 2Gb monthly's, as a disaster recovery. With 12 months it's only costing $0.24 per mth, growing at $0.02 per month. A tiny price to pay for long-term storage in case something happens to the storage/backup VPS. That makes good sense to me :)
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S3 and Glacier are different things. Which are you using? Glacier takes hours to get your backups, you are penalized if you retrieve them early, and you pay for the bandwidth. If you can wait hours for your backups, and you aren't accessing a large amount of data, it isn't bad at all.

I have a friend who is in the video business. He does television commercials and productions and the like. He stores all his huge videos on Glacier, because chances are, he will never need to access them. And if he needs to, a 5 hour wait isn't going to matter. If he does though, the cost is going to be huge. $120 for 1TB of data. Yikes!
 
WSWD said:
S3 and Glacier are different things. Which are you using? Glacier takes hours to get your backups, you are penalized if you retrieve them early, and you pay for the bandwidth. If you can wait hours for your backups, and you aren't accessing a large amount of data, it isn't bad at all.
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Glacier, and it's a disaster recovery incase my storage/backup VPS fails so 5 hr wait vs have no backup at all is not a problem.
There's no penalty for "retrieving early" (that I'm aware of or can find?), and it would only cost me $0.12 to retrieve a 2 Gb backup if needed.
 
Mouth said:
Glacier, and it's a disaster recovery incase my storage/backup VPS fails so 5 hr wait vs have no backup at all is not a problem.
There's no penalty for "retrieving early" (that I'm aware of or can find?), and it would only cost me $0.12 to retrieve a 2 Gb backup if needed.
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Since I have my backups going to 3 different locations on 6 difference computer/servers, this wouldn't be a problem for me. ;)
I am just utilizing servers that I already have and am paying for for other stuff as well as the desktop and server here at the house.
My wife reminds me each month that what I'm spending on "your toys" could be making a payment for a new motorcycle if I wanted it. :whistle:
 
Tracy Perry said:
Since I have my backups going to 3 different locations on 6 difference computer/servers, this wouldn't be a problem for me. ;)
I am just utilizing servers that I already have and am paying for for other stuff as well as the desktop and server here at the house.
My wife reminds me each month that what I'm spending on "your toys" could be making a payment for a new motorcycle if I wanted it. :whistle:
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Yeah, I used to (until very recently) have a system like that. I've consolidated down to 2 locations now for my hosting environment (S3 and Backupsy) for easier management and cheaper overall. Have our wives being chatting, they sound very familiar - at least the same broken record :)
 
My current backup method is as follows:

4 X daily full VPS syncs to R1Soft with 14 day incremental storage
1 X daily /home backup to backupsy
1 X daily Database backup to Amazon S3 14 day rolling backups
1 X daily Database backup to backupsy 30 day rolling backups
1 X daily Database backup to NAS @ Home 14 day rolling backups

Also a manual rsync to the NAS at home when I remember
 
Mouth said:
Yeah, I used to (until very recently) have a system like that. I've consolidated down to 2 locations now for my hosting environment (S3 and Backupsy) for easier management and cheaper overall.
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Since I am using the others anyway (other than the backupsy one I just got - and that was because it's in Dallas) the cost was not that much additional (only $7 a month). I have two dedicated servers for my forums (1 is running only one forum the other currently has 4 low - and I mean VERY low - use forums on them). The servers at the house (I have two) didn't cost me anything as they were the older servers from my local Doctors office that they gave me when they upgraded theirs for doing their local IT work (I do it for them for free).

Have our wives being chatting, they sound very familiar - at least the same broken record :)
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I think there is a secret "wives network" somewhere that all wives must get together on.:ROFLMAO:
 
Just upgraded to Ubuntu 13.10

Code: 
matt@kickseed:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:    Ubuntu 13.10
Release:        13.10
Codename:      saucy
 
Mouth said:
Glacier, and it's a disaster recovery incase my storage/backup VPS fails so 5 hr wait vs have no backup at all is not a problem.
There's no penalty for "retrieving early" (that I'm aware of or can find?), and it would only cost me $0.12 to retrieve a 2 Gb backup if needed.
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Sure...for 2GB, it ain't bad, but I think you missed the part of the discussion where we were talking about 500GB. 500GB would cost you $60 just in download bandwidth fees on Glacier...and a 5 hour wait. For most people in hosting, that's a deal breaker right there, unless you're running some small personal site. 5 hours just to retrieve a backup is insane.
 
They even mention that in their blurb about it

In order to keep costs low, Amazon Glacier is optimized for data that is infrequently accessed and for which retrieval times of several hours are suitable
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Just had my first backup. It works great and their support is pretty good (they configured it for me since I didn't want to screw things up).
Thanks @MattW
 
@MattW, you may be interested in a new VPS offering they have set up @7$ a month.

I've got to do a little more research on it, but looks like 2TB traffic (but their TOS states (which concerns me):
Traffic Usage:

All account plans come 1 TeraByte of traffic, after exceeding this amount your account will automatically suspended to avoid unexpected charges. To reactivate your account please contact us to purchase additional bandwidth for $7 per TB or wait until the next billing cycle for your account to be unsuspended.)
http://vpsdime.com/

I'm thinking about playing with one of them.

4GBPS Uplink
RAM 6 GB
HDD 36 GB
CPU ModeIntel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 0 @ 2.00GHz
CPU Cores4
CPU Speed1999 MHz
CPU Cache15360 KB
 
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