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Lawrence said:
Not true. If a lawyer recommends you to not talk there is nothing they would write for you, as you would not be making a statement.

I do not know your experience with dealing with multi-billion dollar businesses, I have none. My father has a lot of experience and I talked to him about this case.
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So that lawyer will put the company on the line to lose many customers and eventual have problems with cash flow because of no communication. Should the lawyers of Xenforo not beaware that if the company has problems sustaining it self that they might not get paid.
 
Mark.B said:
Good for you. Not everyone agrees with you however, and it is no longer the "one or two troublemakers" that was portrayed a couple of months back.

If XenStyles voicing concerns doesn't convince people, I'm not sure what will.
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Developers, addon programmers, designers should be worried (much more than me). That is understandable. But for may website owners like me (not a developer), I still don't see why we should worry too much. It's not that bad (yet). After 3 more months, if nothing is released, I would be jumping around more than a lot of you :D.
 
I don't think we could improve the situation by repeating ourselves here. Points were already taken by the developers. If not, we would be doomed :p. We will see that very soon.
 
John said:
Exactly. Many of us cut our teeth years ago in the vB/IPB world. We are not amateurs. In order for XF to grow and thrive, it needs to be able to attract and keep the average forum hobbyist in large numbers. The professional admins (of which make up the majority of the current customer base) have a limited need of the services of 3rd party vendors. The 3rd party ecosystem brings value to the table the core product can't in the same time frame. If we move on, the product will struggle to survive and will eventually wither and die on the vine.
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Do you really think so? Majority? I don't think so?
The majority of the current customer base do not create addons on their own. A large number purchase skins. Many the exact same style!
How many professional admins have XenPorta installed or sidebar modules.
Maybe my definition is different on who a professional admin is different.

The 3rd party addon system isn't working for me.
I need some addons before even considering converting.
I'm not going to pay someone until I know the direction of xenforo is taking.

I do agree the they need to attract and keep the average hobbyist.
A software package needs to have features out of the box. Of course some call it bloat.
 
sadikb said:
John, I agree with you to a degree. But 1.1.3 is being developed, which we now know for a fact since Mike stated as much in some of the bug fix threads. This means, 1.1.3 will most likely be released in the near future.

And given that you have personal familiarity with the developers, I think it's a bit unwise to comment like this in the public. Couldn't you just pick up the phone and call them? And if you are their friend, I am sure you can keep whatever they tell you to yourself if they seek confidentiality. Friends don't criticize friends if they don't know what's wrong...

Cheers Mate!
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Maybe he tried before already. Just look at Brogan. *shrugs*

Not trying to stir the pot, just saying.

Also in reference to most of us aren't amatuers, I'm an amatuer n barely know wtf I'm doing.

I don't care about the latest update or site roadmaps either. The fact there aren't a ton of security updates like there was when I was using vb4 amazes me. I guess you can say I'm easily impressed. As long as their are noobs out there that can be wowed by even xenforo's basic features, this software will never wither out in die like John says. I like xenforo software so much that I'm in evangelical-mode, going to other forum admins and asking them to switch over. I don't wanna be a fanboy but I really like this sh!t.
 
steven s said:
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A software package needs to have features out of the box. Of course some call it bloat.
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I agree with this the standard is set by others in the field. While the time of forums is not over by a long shot people are asking for one stop information sites these days, so features has to be made that help the forum owner.
 
John said:
Let me start out by saying I am very hesitant to say what I'm about to say, but I've reached the point where I have to. I have been one of their most ardent supporters since before XF even saw the light of day. I was honored and privileged to be invited to sit in on the first private screening of XF with just a handful of close friends of Kier and Mike. I am still rooting for them big time...my comments that follow do not forfeit my position as a supporter although many here seem to think anyone who expresses a position that doesn't line up with their rosy XF world view automatically does. A substantial portion of my livelihood depends on a strong and healthy XF community. I can say, unequivocally, whatever the reasons for their continued refusal to address concerns raised (sorry, but short, vague posts every two or so months does not qualify as adequate to me...and my perception is the only one that I care about) matters not to me at this point. Their actions are indeed hurting the XF ecosystem and thus my livelihood. I won't wait forever for them to get their act together...I can't. Call me chicken little, traitor or whatever, doesn't impact me at all. I'm not stupid nor easily swayed by the crowd. I have run internet businesses for a long time and I like to think I know a little bit about what I'm doing. Having said all that, I am absolutely making alternative plans that do not include XF and will continue to do so until their actions change my mind. The onus is on them to convince me I'm wrong. Take that for what it's worth, Kier, Mike and Ashley. When one of your oldest and strongest supporters is losing faith, hopefully that matters to you.
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I can absolutely understand where you're coming from John. Remember, my "ardent support" weakened when I found it necessary to step down from staff here.
And you have way more at stake here than I ever did.

The frustration is almost palpable on this site, and rightly so.
 
sadikb said:
And given that you have personal familiarity with the developers, I think it's a bit unwise to comment like this in the public. Couldn't you just pick up the phone and call them? And if you are their friend, I am sure you can keep whatever they tell you to yourself if they seek confidentiality. Friends don't criticize friends if they don't know what's wrong...
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No, I can't pick up the phone and just call them. I have expressed my concerns in person and those concerns were not responded to in a way that made feel better. I have carried their water long enough...friends don't leave friends hanging in the wind when doing so impacts their friends livelihood either. I promise you, I have not nor will not share anything in public that is personal in nature. Contrary to what people might think about my comments, I do still care very much for them and will not betray that.
 
John said:
No, I can't pick up the phone and just call them. I have expressed my concerns in person and those concerns were not responded to in a way that made feel better. I have carried their water long enough...friends don't leave friends hanging in the wind when doing so impacts their friends livelihood either. I promise you, I have not nor will not share anything in public that is personal in nature. Contrary to what people might think about my comments, I do still care very much for them and will not betray that.
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Hmmm... I do not disagree. Either way, I think, if not their customers at least they owe it to their friends to explain. I will just keep quiet on this topic till June end and see what happens by then.
 
Deebs said:
If it does get locked down it just goes to show a lack of respect to paying/paid customers who are asking legitimate questions about their investment in a product and a Company.
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you did not invest in a company.
you just bought a product for about $140 from a company.
 
erich37 said:
you did not invest in a company.
you just bought a product for about $140 from a company.
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I was hoping not to add to this thread BUT, I DID invest in the company in a way.
I bought multiple licenses the month they were made available to support XenForo Ltd.
Sure support didn't being until 1.0 was deemed stable, but putting up money early was to show my vote of confidence.
 
erich37 said:
you did not invest in a company.
you just bought a product for about $140 from a company.
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He's a stakeholder.

A person, group, or organization that has direct or indirect stake in an organization because it can affect or be affected by the organization's actions, objectives, and policies. Key stakeholders in a business organization include creditors, customers, directors, employees, government (and its agencies), owners (shareholders), suppliers, unions, and the community from which the business draws its resources

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/stakeholder.html
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erich37 said:
you did not invest in a company.
you just bought a product for about $140 from a company.
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He invested in a product and the product in its turn let the company function. While invested in a company is a long stretch people who bought the product before even support was given prior version 1.0 gold they made an investment in a company because there was no official product at that time.

More importantly people that bought Xenforo thought they where better off then other forum software makers (before Xenforo was released lots of talk and discussion was going on) so they invested does same people are now wondering how it will continue (You do not have to post that one liner like Xenforo is going to say "We stopped development for now but please renew so we get cash in). How this is going on it disrupts customer<>company relations even if things will go back to normal. Here is another one lets say a lawyer said to not post anything for how long till end of the trails remember that's in 2013 after that the UK trails will start will the same thing continue then that can mean that there will be no communication till second quarter 2013 at least.
 
erich37 said:
you did not invest in a company.
you just bought a product for about $140 from a company.
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These people purchased a XenForo license. It is not the same as investing in the company, because you didn't buy stock in the company, you purchased a license to use a software.

However, many people purchased licenses that they did not need, in order to help K/A/M keep XF going, and to help them pay their legal fees. So I can certainly understand how they feel that they have invested in the company, because in good faith, they invested in the developers behind the company.

And now these same people have been left in the dark.

I've been an ardent supporter of XF and K/A/M from the beginning, and even after I stepped down from staff.
But dammit, this silence is wrong, no matter how you look at it. Very wrong.
 
Yes, yes we've all seen that brief mention of 1.1.3. Then when asked specifically about it in the following post by Yorick, no followup was given.
So, there is most definitely room for doubt.
 
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