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Oracle said:
There is something wrong with the SEO portion of the Wiki pages.

I keep noticing my wiki pages aren't making it in Google searches, or they are far out of the top 100, while similiar information which is not as well presented is ranking in the top 10, and often from my own site.
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Your site is relatively new / also small. The wiki software has nothing to do with a wiki pages ranking in Google.

Your site must earn credibility in Google for Google to show it love, you don't just get it.

My main forum has been around for 6 years now, and wiki pages get instant love from Google. Please do not confuse what you believe with what Google believes, they are not the same thing. Who says your page is the best for a specific term? You? What about every other person in the world who mentions that term on their page? They are thinking the same thing.

People think something like SEO is easy... its not. It takes years to achieve reliable results, and then Google can make one change, and all that is undone overnight. You should understand SEO before really trying to blame software for a pages failure. Is the page semantically correct? Does the page meet the semantic cocurrence relationship for associated terms? I bet I just confused you already? These are some basic mathematical fundamentals to copywriting a page... yet you are blaming this software or sitemaps, all of which have nothing to do with ranking a page.

I don't use sitemaps on my sites, because they're useless... and if you know my background in the world of SEO, now retired, then you would stop listening to all the nonsense and focus on building quality content and good inbound links. Those two things will jump your site to Google over a period of a year or two. That is when you will see the pay-off... not instantly.
 
Anthony Parsons said:
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I respect your knowledge and experience. I am a SEO noob. I have learned a bit, but I don't think anyone can lift the "noob" status in their first year of running a site.

With that understood, it seems you missed just about everything I shared. I'm not a doctor, but I can tell if someone has a broken arm. I am not a SEO expert, but I can tell something is wrong in this instance.

What I have consistently noticed is threads that I personally create with just a few words will rank high (top 20 results) in search engines, while wiki pages with great detail, repetition of key words on the exact same subject wont show up in the top 300. I am not referring to competition with other sites, but simply with myself.

I have also noticed that my section which receives automated RSS feeds will at times rank high (top 20 or so) with just a few words mentioned of a subject, while again the detailed wiki pages are the same subject are not showing, at least not in the top 300.

As a test, I created a brand new wiki page with a fictional search time. I simply picked 15 or so random alpha numeric characters. I then copied and pasted that identical wiki information into a thread. I submitted the thread and wiki within seconds of each other, then submitted my site map, even if it doesn't have any value.

A couple hours later I see my forum page listed. A couple days later I still didn't see my wiki page.

Based on all of the above, I concluded there is something wrong.
 
Your creating a forum page from your URL to compete against your wiki page. Google is not going to list multiple pages from your "brand new" / "relatively new" website in their high rankings. You could be the wikipedia itself... and have 10 pages on x, but Google will only show one, maybe two of them for that term x.

The problem is that you don't understand how Google works, you just have this attitude of, "if I build a page with a keyword, it should rank or be listed." That is not correct and far from accurate.

Again, you need to go learn about Google, how Google works, as that is how you then address ranking aspects. SEO for all intensive purposes is dead... its only an acronym now associated to a far more complex situation which requires a broader marketing strategy.

You also answered your own question.... you create a simple page using a keyword term, it ranks. You create a complicated page "attempting" to target a keyword, it doesn't. Again... keyword cocurrence, semantic connectivity, all factors of how Google interpret pages at the mathematical level in their algorithm, from the little they have ever disclosed. Because you think a page means x, does not mean Google have interpreted that page to mean x, when in fact Google have interpreted it as bcd with the possibility of a little mn tossed in... far from what you have thought the page is about, being x.

Learn about Google... not how to try and manipulate a page in rankings, because you will fail every single time, just like the millions of others in the world all trying to manipulate Google for some page / keyword term/phrase.
 
Thank you for the informative reply.

One last question if I might ask. What is the best way to learn about how Google works? I ask because apparently the information I learned online doesn't apply. I have learned a lot from your prior posts. I have tried in every respect to build an honest, quality site. I do try to strategically use keywords, but I don't stuff false words or anything like that. I am sincerely trying to learn and understand.
 
I know you are Oracle... I can see that... and you will learn by participating in some site like seobook.com forum, and Aaron's instructional resources vs. inadequate SEO basis sites all trying to make a name for themselves or just full of spam as they are freely open for everyone and anyone to post within.

95% of the nonsense you read in SEO forums is just that... nonsense. It is things that we were doing back in 95 or such... completely irrelevant today.
 
Jaxel, I'm not sure if this is considered a bug, or intended feature. However, if I use [template=something]parm=abc[/template] (to demo the command in our help page), it will parse the said template, instead of leaving it as plain text as designed by XF and all other BB codes. Is there any way I can override this behavior so I can demo the usage?

Edit for the curious mind:
This is no good when you want to show off [plain]:
Code: 
[plain][template=something]parm=abc[/template][/plain]
Instead, do this:
Code: 
[plain][plain][template=something]parm=abc[/template][/plain][/plain]
 
Andy Huang said:
Jaxel, I'm not sure if this is considered a bug, or intended feature. However, if I use [template=something]parm=abc[/template] (to demo the command in our help page), it will parse the said template, instead of leaving it as plain text as designed by XF and all other BB codes. Is there any way I can override this behavior so I can demo the usage?
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huh?
 
Oops, I see what I did there... my bad.
What I meant is, if I type:
Code: 
[plain][template=something]parm=abc[/template][/plain]
Instead of getting:
Code: 
[template=something]param=abc[/template]
I get:
Code: 
[something template; <img src="abc.png" />]

I'm interested to show the template code, so people knows how to use it.
Is this by design, or something that was missed?
 
Andy Huang said:
Oops, I see what I did there... my bad.
What I meant is, if I type:
Code: 
[plain][template=something]parm=abc[/template][/plain]
Instead of getting:
Code: 
[template=something]param=abc[/template]
I get:
Code: 
[something template; <img src="abc.png" />]

I'm interested to show the template code, so people knows how to use it.
Is this by design, or something that was missed?
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The PLAIN tag is used to prevent the parsing of BBcode... However, [template] is NOT BBcode; it exists OUTSIDE of the BBcode construct system. This is by design, as you wouldn't want people using [template] in places outside of the wiki. Did you try doing something like this?:
Code: 
[[plain]template=something]parm=abc[/template[/plain]]
 
[8wayRun.Com] XenCarta (Lite Wiki) v1.3.2 CHANGELOG
  • Added a page view support. Pages will now count page views on a 24 hour basis.
  • Fixed a bug where the page type was not saved on previews of the create new page.
  • Expanded the Wiki Statistics module to list likes, views and attachment counts.
  • Added an ACP option to disable the number anchor in table of contents links.
  • Added explicit permissions for managing attachments for pages.
  • Fixed a bug where images without titles would not get removed from attach list.
 
Oracle said:
If your forum is installed in your root directory, then that will be the wiki path.

www.TeraPVP.com/wiki = my wiki
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Yes, I'm aware of that. It's fine for forum-centric site but many sites like mine is CMS front where we have Wordpress on root and Xenforo on /forum/
I just like to know if there is a hack/workaround to install Wiki on the same level of /forum/

It does not looks like if every mods we install on XF will have a /forum/mod/ structure.
 
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