Digital Doctor
Well-known member
I read this is vB5 beta10.
Was beta 9 on paper ?
I think he handled it well.Honestly, what can Paul say to that?
Ideas are cheap, implementation is everything.the problem: it's very bad implemented
Jake .. do you post on the vBulletin forums ?
This is exactly my point. IB claims that XenForo stole their technology. Now that IB's master technology is out 2 years later, it's time to stack them one against another. Making the comparison exposes the obvious fraud. With 2 extra years and dozens more developers, the VB 5 product doesn't even stack up to what 2 guys did in one year. So much for stolen technology versus the real "world class" talent.With vB5 out of the bag, it is clear there is a greater void between XF and vB5 than XF and vB4. oops....
Thats a loaded question, and usually id just ignore or dismiss such an obvious attempt at baiting.
However, Im going to bite a little bit.
I dont know why its so appallingly slow on that server, my test forum is at least 5x faster, and only on a test server.
Dont get me wrong, its still slow, badly so in places, but a couple of people (Freddie being one I can think of) are going through it to find the bottlenecks.
Since vB 4.2.0 Ive not had a great deal of involvement with vB5 other than fixing the hooks and extensions to work (in June and early July).
Since then ive mostly just dealt with bug reportss, and a large portion of my time has been spent on the helping with the vb.com site project - for the new marketing and sales site. Im still not overly familiar with all the internal workings of vB5, but I have seen some real valid technical complaints and concerns raised. That said, at the same time, much of what Ive seen so far is just personal dislike of the look & features (or lack of in some cases), or just a dislike of IB in general, which i mostly skip over as irrelevant.
Ther are many points about it I dont like either, but I know people who do like some of those things I dislike, so there you go. Cannot please everyone.
There are some things that really do seem to be universally hated, less now as some of them have already been removed / altered due to Alpha testers "forceful" comments.
With decisions like that, it's clear why vb5 turned out as it has.After vB let me go I still answered ImpEx questions on the forum. Though I haven't done much of that in the last several months. Too busy.
How ironic.
I learned about Xenforo on vBulletin and now I learn about vB5 on Xenforo.
Only to help people with support questions. After vB let me go I still answered ImpEx questions on the forum. Though I haven't done much of that in the last several months. Too busy.
This is exactly my point. IB claims that XenForo stole their technology. Now that IB's master technology is out 2 years later, it's time to stack them one against another. Making the comparison exposes the obvious fraud. With 2 extra years and dozens more developers, the VB 5 product doesn't even stack up to what 2 guys did in one year. So much for stolen technology versus the real "world class" talent.
PS - Paul, thanks for the honest assessment.
This is exactly my point. IB claims that XenForo stole their technology. Now that IB's master technology is out 2 years later, it's time to stack them one against another. Making the comparison exposes the obvious fraud. With 2 extra years and dozens more developers, the VB 5 product doesn't even stack up to what 2 guys did in one year. So much for stolen technology versus the real "world class" talent.
PS - Paul, thanks for the honest assessment.
However, the code is complete and utter crap. It isn't fixable. Not the architecture, not anything. I am not speaking to just hate on it. I am an experienced programmer who has looked at the code and can see MANY MANY bad bits of code in EVERY file. What this is currently can not be fixed. Not for a developer. It might end up working in the end for the end user and have people use it etc, but the code is beyond repair and I would be surprised if they can manage to hack it to be fast enough to compete with other solutions.Thats a loaded question, and usually id just ignore or dismiss such an obvious attempt at baiting.
However, Im going to bite a little bit.
I dont know why its so appallingly slow on that server, my test forum is at least 5x faster, and only on a test server.
Dont get me wrong, its still slow, badly so in places, but a couple of people (Freddie being one I can think of) are going through it to find the bottlenecks.
Since vB 4.2.0 Ive not had a great deal of involvement with vB5 other than fixing the hooks and extensions to work (in June and early July).
Since then ive mostly just dealt with bug reportss, and a large portion of my time has been spent on the helping with the vb.com site project - for the new marketing and sales site. Im still not overly familiar with all the internal workings of vB5, but I have seen some real valid technical complaints and concerns raised. That said, at the same time, much of what Ive seen so far is just personal dislike of the look & features (or lack of in some cases), or just a dislike of IB in general, which i mostly skip over as irrelevant.
Ther are many points about it I dont like either, but I know people who do like some of those things I dislike, so there you go. Cannot please everyone.
There are some things that really do seem to be universally hated, less now as some of them have already been removed / altered due to Alpha testers "forceful" comments.
However, the code is complete and utter crap. It isn't fixable. Not the architecture, not anything. I am not speaking to just hate on it. I am an experienced programmer who has looked at the code and can see MANY MANY bad bits of code in EVERY file. What this is currently can not be fixed. Not for a developer. It might end up working in the end for the end user and have people use it etc, but the code is beyond repair and I would be surprised if they can manage to hack it to be fast enough to compete with other solutions.
Shame really, I was looking for a new market to get into.
And once again I'm not just hating on it. They might have some good ideas that will come out of it and used on other solutions. And this might make them pull their heads in and do a proper rewrite for vb6. But the code itself is horrible. Has outsourced juniors written all over it.
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