Are forum communities obsolete?

I disagree.

A blog is one person's view, with comments from others.

A forum is the views of all members - anyone can start a thread.
While true a lot of blogs allow members to create blogs, the main difference is that blogs generally have higher quality content than forums because all the content is drafted, revised, revised again, reviewed by multiple people, then posted.
 
the main difference is that blogs generally have higher quality content than forums because all the content is drafted, revised, revised again, reviewed by multiple people, then posted.
Disagree actually....

Whilst 'some' blogs do use what you describe, they don't control the comments themselves, ie. vet them, edit, edit, edit, edit, then publish comments. Comments can dumb down the best initial post as equally as forum posts to the thread starter.

There are exceptions to both software types and site types... no doubt about it.

Google does not discriminate against the most well written blog post vs. the same thing written in a forum with the worst spelling possible. Google works out and determines the words itself, thus presenting the same results. So writing itself has nothing to do with quality in the scheme of the world wide web. If it did... Twitter and FB would be massive failures, for all the "2 c u we lmao wat blitz l arv 2m" type SMS style writing nonsense from youth... being the largest audience of social networking.
 
Disagree actually....

Whilst 'some' forums do use what you describe, they don't control the comments themselves, ie. vet them, edit, edit, edit, edit, the publish, comments. Comments can dumb down the best initial post as equally as forum posts to the thread starter.

There are exceptions to both software types and site types... no doubt about it.

Google does not discriminate against the most well written blog post vs. the same thing written in a forum with the worst spelling possible. Google works out and determines the words itself, thus presenting the same results. So writing itself has nothing to do with quality in the scheme of world wide web. If it did... Twitter and FB would be massive failures, for all the "2 c u we lmao wat blitz l arv 2m" type SMS style writing nonsense from youth... being the largest audience of social networking.
I am actually going to agree with this. Besides nowadays most people that have a blog have a forum to accompany it and the same goes for someone with a forum, having a blog.
 
There are a few things that forums do that Facebook and Twitter can't. One of those is the ability to easily reference posts made in the past.

Have you ever tried to search either Facebook or Twitter for historical content? You simply can't. Here, forums are the killer application.
While facebook fails there, forums are not the killer application here. I run a information oriented big board. An informative forum may contain a mass of information, but the information can be buried within a thread and the thread buried within a subforum under hundreds of other threads. Google may or may not be able to find the needed information. And often there is related information in other threads, without any effective way to tie it together. Tags do help a lot though.
If a user wants access to specific information, then the user is probably better off going to wikipedia because the user can find the information more easily. This is a large weakness of forums. Forums lack effective tools to organize the body of information that it contains and to make information discovery more effective.
 
Here's one more thing that Facebook and Google+ will not do -- purely anonymous posting. Sites like mine, medical and dating exist because privacy can be maintained - no links to friends, activities, other. I'm removing the Facebook integration so that people don't post with their real name. Long live the forum.

A recent thread on my forum was started because of such anonymity. The member did not want to discuss the topic on facebook and the only place the member was comfortable discussing it was on my forum.
 
I've been hearing that since 1995, and it wasn't true then and it isn't true now. Kind of like a 1965 Popular Mechanics magazine proclaiming that hovercars and jetpacks are the future of personal travel.

A site like yelp, which might feel local if you only look up places in your city, would fail if it limited itself to one city. If craigslist hadn't expanded beyond San Francisco, you would have never heard of it. It would still be Craig's hobby site, full of listings on where to get the best wheat grass on Geary Street. If Facebook had remained Harvard-only, you wouldn't even know it existed.

We use non-local sites to do and find local things. But to survive, those sites generally need to service an entire country or countries or worlds.

Besides, everyone knows the future of everything is China. Get with it.
Those soundbite people are not forum people. Apples and oranges.

If your forum can't "promote any sort of meaningful discussion," the problem is your forum, not the entire population of the world.

Ask Google with the acquisition of Zagat, and AOL with Patch if the future isn't local.

But I don't really care what corporations have to do to survive, or what their marketing department thinks they have to do to game the system.. My focus is on how people can harness the technology to get ahead of the marketers to empower themselves and enhance their lives, their communities, not on how they shop.

No doubt local is a tough nut to crack. It has been. But things have changed since 1995, the Internet has evolved. Did it ever occur to you that local communities can become networked? Craigslist happens to be a good example. I think their success can be attributed to the fact that they started with a good model.

And again, I'll refer you to URBAN75, a local based forum in London with over 40,000 members. They're surviving just fine. No ads, no SEO, no jumping through hoops to get Pageranking, just member donations. After a decade they've expanded to other cities, but that isn't the reason for their success. They expanded because they're successful. Same with Craigslist. It was successful before it expanded. They wisely used the bottom-up approach. This is where local communities actually have an advantage over the "big players" who are too invested in top-down.

Over the years people are finding that spending a lot of time online with people across distances (whom they might never meet and share real life experiences with) is not as satisfying as connecting locally (this may be the reason why niche forums lost their edge). It only makes sense. We all live somewhere, we are rooted in our own reality. Virtual reality is a passtime, it's an abstraction, whereas life is lived in a place. Online we talk, in real life we act. Ultimately, words only have power if they lead to action.

It seems to me inevitable that Internet tools will be used to help people step away from the computer, not get stuck behind the keyboard ignoring life around them. Think of the Eyptians using facebook to connect locally and meet up in a city square. Look what they accomplished. Pretty powerful stuff, no? It wouldn't have made a difference if it was facebook, twitter, or xenforo. They could have used any one of them. It was that they used the tools to act locally (actually, now that they've toppled the dictator, a xenforo-stye forum might be the better tool to deliberate on how to forge a new democracy).

When people start to "get it" that local is the future you're going to see changes people never dreamed the Internet could help bring about.

Welcome to the 21st century.
 
My focus is on how people can harness the technology to get ahead of the marketers to empower themselves and enhance their lives, their communities, not on how they shop.
Take a bath, hippie!

When people start to "get it" that local is the future you're going to see changes people never dreamed the Internet could help bring about.

Welcome to the 21st century.
Oh my. You say "Welcome to the 21st century," as if you are talking (down) to a fossil from ARPANET (which I may or may not be), but sweetheart, you're spouting all the same utopian claptrap the early web defenders incessantly rambled on about back when they were afraid that allowing commercial sites on the web was going to destroy it.

You can tilt against the windmill of evil commercialism all you'd like, but without commercial web sites you probably wouldn't even know there was a web. Zuckerberg didn't start Facebook to help Egyptians stir up revolt, he started it to get laid and make a lot of money.

Didn't they teach you about "smashing the state from within" in Young Radical School?
 
Take a bath, hippie!

Oh my. You say "Welcome to the 21st century," as if you are talking (down) to a fossil from ARPANET (which I may or may not be), but sweetheart, you're spouting all the same utopian claptrap the early web defenders incessantly rambled on about back when they were afraid that allowing commercial sites on the web was going to destroy it.

You can tilt against the windmill of evil commercialism all you'd like, but without commercial web sites you probably wouldn't even know there was a web. Zuckerberg didn't start Facebook to help Egyptians stir up revolt, he started it to get laid and make a lot of money.

Didn't they teach you about "smashing the state from within" in Young Radical School?

Laugh.

You do have a way with words.

I'll have a response sometime later...
 
Forums are niche social networks (I'd argue the original form of social networks) and Facebook and Twitter is more of a personal social network. Meaning, Facebook and Twitter are a great way to keep in touch with friends in family and to put out a public image and/or message. But forums are where you go to find out more and talk with others about specific topics.

If you have a problem with your truck for example your probably not going to run to Facebook and ask all your friends and family about it. Your more likely to search and land on a forum or go to a topic specific forum and ask a question.

IMO the idea of a forum need to be updated but I'm not scared of Facebook and Twitter making our communities obsolete.
 
The content is what matter (y)
Yet ... forums are notoriously bad at enabling admins and users to create content !
I hope xenforo helps change that.
The way to make xenforo the best COMMUNITY software is to make Community Content creation easy and effective.
Example: Pages.
With just a few tweaks it could be a game changer.
 
I wasn't aware that forums ever had that task as part of their requirements? You seem to be describing a blog, or a CMS, not a forum.
and then why there is a Pages function in xenforo 1.0 ?
Are Xenforo Pages a forum thing, CMS thing or a blog thing ?
I think 99% of people would say Pages are a CMS and / or Blog thing.
Why does Xenforo have pages ?
or why does Xenforo have "Search Everything" in 1.0 ?
xenforo.search.everything.webp
I hope Xenforo moves in the direction of being more than a forum ... towards providing all the tools a community needs, under one roof. The artificial delineations between forum / blog / CMS / wiki are meaningless. The future of Xenforo should look not a replicating these things but delivering the tools communities need as a complete package.

It seems the Homepage talks "community" but in here you say Xenforo is just forum software.

xenforo.community.or.just.forum.webp

I am sure Xenforo will innovate in the "non-forum" aspects of communities ... in due time.
 
'Pages' was created as a convenience feature, but I certainly wouldn't consider it a CMS or a blog - it's lacking too much fundamental functionality to be either.

That said, in due course, I hope that we can indeed expand the XenForo repertoire to be a complete 'site in a box' solution.
 
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