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xfLetter [Deleted]

Mythotical

Well-known member
#1
Mythotical submitted a new resource:

xfLetter - Newsletter system for subscribing and sending of newsletters.

Description: xfLetter is a newsletter system that allows the admin to send out a newsletter whenever they so desire to members who have opted in to receive the newsletter. Currently it has mainly latest threads, latest articles as current blocks for the email body.

Current Version: 2.1.2
Next Version: 3.0

Included features:
  • Latest Threads
  • Latest Articles
  • Sponsors
  • Full email and CSS support
  • Unsubscribe/Subscribe managed through the main interface on the front end
  • Send...
Read more about this resource...
 

DRE

Well-known member
#3
I used to be really interested in this btw. Would you mind showing some screenshots of a letter made with this addon?
 

snoopy5

Well-known member
#7
No it does not right now, it is an option I plan to look into though.
if you want to get really serious with this addon, you need to implement email bounced management as your first priority.

Without that, I am afraid nobody will risk to send newsletters out. The risk that your domainname and with this all your forum emails get blacklisted by webhosters without beeing notified is just too big.

This is not a question of "if", it is only a question of "when" you get blacklisted without that.
 

Mythotical

Well-known member
#9
if you want to get really serious with this addon, you need to implement email bounced management as your first priority.

Without that, I am afraid nobody will risk to send newsletters out. The risk that your domainname and with this all your forum emails get blacklisted by webhosters without beeing notified is just too big.

This is not a question of "if", it is only a question of "when" you get blacklisted without that.
Unfortunately I already have that issue and now sure how to get my domain off that blacklist. When it comes to bounced email management it is something I have never messed with so this will be a first time. Hopefully it won't be too hard.
 

dvsDave

Well-known member
#11
I second @BamaStangGuy and @snoopy5 , bounced mail management is crucial. (or an API to allow us to interface with a SMTP service like Mandrill.)

Feverbee.com is a phenominal resource and has a whole section on the importance of community newsletters.

http://www.feverbee.com/2009/12/every-online-community-needs-a-local-newspaper.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2009/08/awesomecontent.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2012/07/basic-community-newsletter-tips.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2011/03/online-community-newsletter-clinic.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2010/07/20contentideas.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2012/12/creating-a-content-calendar.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2010/07/exclusives.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2010/12/interviews.html

From these articles, some suggestions are apparent. A block for listing members who have hit certain milestones (# of posts, # of threads, starting a popular thread, etc) in the past x. (week, day, bi-weekly, etc)

I would like to see a list of posts based on criteria like, to 5 most popular posts in the past x (week, day, bi-weekly, etc) and the ability to annotate the caption to make each thread more appealing.

I would also like to see the ability to add sections for columns, articles, etc.

That's all I've got at the moment, I'm sure more will come to me later.
 

dvsDave

Well-known member
#12
I've been doing research over the past two days and Mandrill is by far the most feature filled and cheapest option out there. I'm moving my new xF install over to Mandrill as soon as I can resolve DKIM with the fact that I use Google Mail for Domains. There's a method for it, but I'm double-checking everything.
 

Mythotical

Well-known member
#13
Thanks, really helps.

I second @BamaStangGuy and @snoopy5 , bounced mail management is crucial. (or an API to allow us to interface with a SMTP service like Mandrill.)

Feverbee.com is a phenominal resource and has a whole section on the importance of community newsletters.

http://www.feverbee.com/2009/12/every-online-community-needs-a-local-newspaper.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2009/08/awesomecontent.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2012/07/basic-community-newsletter-tips.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2011/03/online-community-newsletter-clinic.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2010/07/20contentideas.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2012/12/creating-a-content-calendar.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2010/07/exclusives.html
http://www.feverbee.com/2010/12/interviews.html

From these articles, some suggestions are apparent. A block for listing members who have hit certain milestones (# of posts, # of threads, starting a popular thread, etc) in the past x. (week, day, bi-weekly, etc)

I would like to see a list of posts based on criteria like, to 5 most popular posts in the past x (week, day, bi-weekly, etc) and the ability to annotate the caption to make each thread more appealing.

I would also like to see the ability to add sections for columns, articles, etc.

That's all I've got at the moment, I'm sure more will come to me later.
Even more help, thanks. I will definitely be looking into all these.
 

Brent W

Well-known member
#14
I've been doing research over the past two days and Mandrill is by far the most feature filled and cheapest option out there. I'm moving my new xF install over to Mandrill as soon as I can resolve DKIM with the fact that I use Google Mail for Domains. There's a method for it, but I'm double-checking everything.
We will probably use Mandrill as well with their dedicated IP, whenever this supports it with bounced email processing.
 

snoopy5

Well-known member
#17
This is where I'm starting, seems the easiest to implement. Already signed up as a developer. I will be working on xfLetter during breaks from xfUser+ and custom work.
I would not recommend to go this way. It does not make sense to develop an XF-addon, which is again requiring to work with something else which costs money. People who want that, can go directly to these providers. They do not need an addon.

What the XF-community is desperately looking for is a very simple bounced email management while using ONLY the XF-forum, no other third party payed service.

so your newsletter addon is the right start in this direction. If you absolutely wnat to and have too much time, then you can add lateron support for third party services. But an addon which just relies on that firsthand, will not be downloaded many times. Money rules here.

Look at the following email bounced management addon for vb, to get an idea, what the basics are you absolutely have to have: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=138884

if you think about bounced email management, you have always 2 major drivers:

1. emails that are no longer valid or mailbox full and come back with an error message, or even worse do not come back

2. Spam management of webhoster, who look how many emails you send to them per minute and per hour, to how many emails from the same domain etc pp. Keyword is "throtteling" etc.

#2 is already advanced and you should focus first on #1. If you want to get ideas how to do this with email throttling, look at www.phplist.com. THis is by far the best and most known free newletter available out there. Very professional, with settings for everything incl. a very advanced email bounced management. But there does not exist (yet) a bridge between XF and phplist.

It would be an interesting idea to link them somehow, so that mail addresses ar in real time the same between the two and bounced emails in phplist would take the appropriate actions in realtime within XF db like the EZbouncemanagement script.
 

Brent W

Well-known member
#18
I would not recommend to go this way. It does not make sense to develop an XF-addon, which is again requiring to work with something else which costs money. People who want that, can go directly to these providers. They do not need an addon.

What the XF-community is desperately looking for is a very simple bounced email management while using ONLY the XF-forum, no other third party payed service.

so your newsletter addon is the right start in this direction. If you absolutely wnat to and have too much time, then you can add lateron support for third party services. But an addon which just relies on that firsthand, will not be downloaded many times. Money rules here.

Look at the following email bounced management addon for vb, to get an idea, what the basics are you absolutely have to have: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=138884

if you think about bounced email management, you have always 2 major drivers:

1. emails that are no longer valid or mailbox full and come back with an error message, or even worse do not come back

2. Spam management of webhoster, who look how many emails you send to them per minute and per hour, to how many emails from the same domain etc pp. Keyword is "throtteling" etc.

#2 is already advanced and you should focus first on #1. If you want to get ideas how to do this with email throttling, look at www.phplist.com. THis is by far the best and most known free newletter available out there. Very professional, with settings for everything incl. a very advanced email bounced management. But there does not exist (yet) a bridge between XF and phplist.

It would be an interesting idea to link them somehow, so that mail addresses ar in real time the same between the two and bounced emails in phplist would take the appropriate actions in realtime within XF db like the EZbouncemanagement script.
Speak for yourself, not the entire xenForo community. There are already people in this thread willing to use 3rd party email providers for this. It is actually easier to develop this for a 3rd party api that handles bounces than to write something from scratch using your servers internal email server.
 

snoopy5

Well-known member
#19
Speak for yourself, not the entire xenForo community. There are already people in this thread willing to use 3rd party email providers for this. It is actually easier to develop this for a 3rd party api that handles bounces than to write something from scratch using your servers internal email server.
Everybody speak here for himself ;)

As far as I understood it,the question was not, how to make it as easy as possible. There are many fee-based solutions already out there, if someone wants to have it easy.

The real question is, where is more demand. If you are willing to pay the bills for an external provider, that is fine with me. But I think we can agree on the fact, that a solution which works without any additional third party costs is a lot better and even more XF users would be happy ;)
 

Brent W

Well-known member
#20
Everybody speak here for himself ;)

As far as I understood it,the question was not, how to make it as easy as possible. There are many fee-based solutions already out there, if someone wants to have it easy.

The real question is, where is more demand. If you are willing to pay the bills for an external provider, that is fine with me. But I think we can agree on the fact, that a solution which works without any additional third party costs is a lot better and even more XF users would be happy ;)
What the XF-community is desperately looking for
But regardless the author said he had never messed with bounced processing before so what better way to start than to use support 3rd party APIs. On top of that Mandrill is free for the first 12,000 emails, so no up front costs involved.