XF 2.3 ?

[digitalpoint]

XenForo (and other applications) aren’t going to base minimum PHP requirements on what’s EOL and what isn’t. It’s going to be based on marketshare. PHP 8.x doesn’t have a big enough markershare yet. XenForo isn’t trying to put themselves out of business by massively limiting who can even technically run their software. About 12% of web servers support PHP 8.x so far: https://iolabs.io/stats/php/

I'm glad XenForo at least requires 7.x... Meanwhile the latest version of WordPress will run on PHP 5.6.20 (released in March, 2016).

 

[Suzanne O]

7.2.5 as already stated.

Is that the minimum you want us to have when it comes to php levels? Because now it's somewhere in the 8's.

 

[mjda]

I know that. But the simple thing is to upgrade when the next version is on

For folks who don't mind throwing money away, sure. I prefer to pay for something of value. If I'm not getting anything in return, I'm not going to keep paying. If/when the time comes that I'm going to get value for my money, then I'll upgrade. Until then, I'll save my money.

One of my licenses expired August 2022. There is only one update since then, 2.2.12 released in December. That site didn't need any of the updates in 2.2.12 so why would I pay to extend that license? I don't need to. I've saved 8 myself from paying for, and wasting, 8 months worth of something I won't use. I probably won't extend this one until 2.3 is released, and that's only if it has something I need/want for that particular site.

The other expired February 2023. Nothing has happened since then so, as of now, I've saved 2 months worth of my money that, had I extended, would have been basically wasted. This one will probably be extended once 2.2.13 is released, but only depending on what's in it and whether or not I think that site needs what's in it. Otherwise, I'll save my money a little longer.

 

[Suzanne O]

For folks who don't mind throwing money away, sure. I prefer to pay for something of value. If I'm not getting anything in return, I'm not going to keep paying. If/when the time comes that I'm going to get value for my money, then I'll upgrade. Until then, I'll save my money.

One of my licenses expired August 2022. There is only one update since then, 2.2.12 released in December. That site didn't need any of the updates in 2.2.12 so why would I pay to extend that license? I don't need to. I've saved 8 myself from paying for, and wasting, 8 months worth of something I won't use. I probably won't extend this one until 2.3 is released, and that's only if it has something I need/want for that particular site.

The other expired February 2023. Nothing has happened since then so, as of now, I've saved 2 months worth of my money that, had I extended, would have been basically wasted. This one will probably be extended once 2.2.13 is released, but only depending on what's in it and whether or not I think that site needs what's in it. Otherwise, I'll save my money a little longer.

that's interesting...

 

[Arantor]

It's almost like this had been pointed out earlier in thread, but you seemed pretty adamant that people doing that were doing it wrong...

 

[cdub]

 

[sbj]

 

[Chris D]

Is that the minimum you want us to have when it comes to php levels? Because now it's somewhere in the 8's.

Yes. It is the minimum.

 

[Chris D]

XenForo (and other applications) aren’t going to base minimum PHP requirements on what’s EOL and what isn’t. It’s going to be based on marketshare. PHP 8.x doesn’t have a big enough markershare yet. XenForo isn’t trying to put themselves out of business by massively limiting who can even technically run their software. About 12% of web servers support PHP 8.x so far: https://iolabs.io/stats/php/

I'm glad XenForo at least requires 7.x... Meanwhile the latest version of WordPress will run on PHP 5.6.20 (released in March, 2016).

We track stats amongst our installed customer base (self hosted) and luckily it’s a brighter picture with 25% using PHP 8.0 to 8.2.

But still not time to turn our backs on the other 75% for what I should hope are obvious reasons to most.

 

[digitalpoint]

We track stats amongst our installed customer base (self hosted) and luckily it’s a brighter picture with 25% using PHP 8.0 to 8.2.

But still not time to turn our backs on the other 75% for what I should hope are obvious reasons to most.

Ya makes sense… XenForo licensees are going to be more technical than your average website/WordPress user. But even with a PHP 8.X uptake rate twice the average, it’s not enough to up the minimum requirements.

Wait, why am I arguing something that you agree with?

 

[cdub]

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[Arantor]

what I should hope are obvious reasons to most.

There are definitely some that this is not obvious to, though I don't know why not.

 

[FTL]

But still not time to turn our backs on the other 75% for what I should hope are obvious reasons to most.

That's what I found with most hosting packages, all old versions of PHP with no option of running the latest version, so no wonder so many sites are running on 7x. Same with the database. That was one of the major reasons that I rolled my own hosting on AWS.

 

[Suzanne O]

That's what I found with most hosting packages, all old versions of PHP with no option of running the latest version, so no wonder so many sites are running on 7x. Same with the database. That was one of the major reasons that I rolled my own hosting on AWS.

I'm with namecheap. They're pretty good.

 

[Arantor]

Meanwhile the sites I look after at work are all on 8.x because the hosting provider made me update everything recently. WordPress is not quite as compatible with 8.x as they'd have you believe, and plugins definitely aren't.

Which is a nightmare given how much stricter 8.0 is vs 7.x

 

[TLDR]

Which is a nightmare given how much stricter 8.0 is vs 7.x

Especially 8.1 was ... ehm an experience when updating code that can tell about PHP 7.0 from its own memories.

 

[rogerl]

We track stats amongst our installed customer base (self hosted) and luckily it’s a brighter picture with 25% using PHP 8.0 to 8.2.

But still not time to turn our backs on the other 75% for what I should hope are obvious reasons to most.

I understand your reasoning, but it is very disappointing that only 25% are on 8.x with 7.x already being end of life and with no active support or even security fixes.

 

[Arantor]

And 8.0 runs out of security fixes later this year.

PHP’s pace here is actually problematic long term.

 

[Sebastiaan]

2.2.13 should be days/weeks away, not months.

We are almost halfway through the weeks before it turns into "month"

*polishes his f5 button

 

[Faust]

We are almost halfway through the weeks before it turns into "month"

*polishes his f5 button

*Upcoming weeks"