XF 2.4 XenForo 2.4 status and what's new under the hood?

Where are we?​

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TL;DR: We're working hard to release XenForo 2.4 ASAP, but it's taking longer than expected due to scope changes and strategic decisions to wait for certain upstream developments that will benefit the long-term roadmap. Here's an analogy to explain why:

Software development is like planning a cross-country expedition with multiple destinations.

When you set out for version 2.4, you're not just driving to the next town over. You're charting a course through unknown territory with several strategic stops planned along the way - each representing a major milestone or feature release.

But the challenge is the landscape keeps changing along the journey.
  • New roads open up (better technologies emerge)
  • Bridges get washed out (dependencies break or become obsolete)
  • You discover scenic routes that would benefit all future travellers (opportunities for architectural improvements)
  • Weather conditions shift (market demands or user needs evolve)
  • Your vehicle needs unexpected maintenance (technical debt must be addressed)
You can't just focus on reaching the immediate next stop. You must consider how each decision affects the entire journey ahead. Taking a shortcut to reach 2.4 faster might leave you stranded when trying to reach 3.0, 4.0 or even 5.0.

This is why scope changes occur: experienced developers are constantly recalibrating the route based on new information, ensuring the expedition can successfully reach not just the next destination, but all the strategic waypoints that follow.

The delays aren't detours, rather they're course corrections that keep the long-term journey viable.

To be slightly less cryptic, these are some of the specific challenges we have faced along the way:

A new Tiptap version is coming​

When we announced that Tiptap is coming to XenForo 2.4 it was 95% complete, and we then took a bit of a pause to work on other projects, which we have talked about since and will be discussing in this thread. Since then, Tiptap have announced Tiptap V3 which is currently in beta. Given how core the editor is to the forum experience, it makes a lot of sense to ship XenForo 2.4 with Tiptap V3 rather than Tiptap V2 as originally planned. While the changes involved are not too extensive, we also don't want to ship 2.4 with a dependency that is still in beta and subject to change. While we are not planning to wait for Tiptap V3 to be stable, necessarily, we do at least want to give it a little bit more time so we have a higher degree of confidence that we're shipping a stable editing experience.

We started talking about a rewrite (again)​

While this is not currently the direction we've decided to go in, it's responsible for us to at least consider all routes available to us to help us reach our destination.

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After nearly 8 years since the release of XenForo 2.0, many of the technologies we use are showing their age, many of the decisions we made have started to slow us down more than we would like, and as a framework, XenForo becomes a less productive framework to work with. The solution to this problem can be to start from scratch, but we have ultimately decided that this is not something we need to do at this stage.

Instead, over the next few versions, including 2.4, we will be attempting to make iterative architectural changes to the framework so that we all have greater tools at our disposal to improve both the developer and user experience, particularly focusing on the implementation of developer tools and features that have become commonplace in other frameworks, such as Laravel.

Some of our best features are simply not finished​

There are one or two features that we see requested consistently from customers in our community forums and feedback channels, and we're excited to confirm they are coming in 2.4! However, it serves no one well if we release such highly-anticipated features before they are ready and before they have the usual level of quality, polish, and extensibility you would expect from a XenForo release. We'd rather take the extra time to get them right than rush them out and disappoint users with a subpar implementation that requires immediate patches or lacks the flexibility for customisation. We'll be sharing exciting details about what these features are and how they work in the coming weeks, so stay tuned!

We can't keep up!​

I just counted and there are about 15 features that have been merged or are pending to be merged into XF 2.4 that we haven't announced yet. Some of these are smaller and aren't worthy of a dedicated HYS of their own (so they'll probably be rolled into a "miscellaneous" HYS or two), and some of these are going to be mentioned below, but while we have been "cooking" (as the kids say these days) it has meant that things like code reviews, and writing HYS posts hasn't been easy to balance. There is also potentially more stuff coming from generous contributions from esteemed developers such as @Xon and @digitalpoint, assuming we have time to implement (otherwise they will wait for... a future version).


With all of that now being said, while 2.4 is taking longer than we wanted, we have been busy and we are very much nearing the end of development.

And, while disappointing (to all of us) it is important to maintain perspective. XenForo 2.2 was released in September 2020. XenForo 2.3 was released nearly four years later. XenForo 2.4 is not 3 more years away.

But, you clicked this to find out what's new, right? So let's go.
 
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I agree it is a balancing act but in my experience it's reasonably easy to deter spammers while allowing genuine registrations an easy passage. In the main I use the same process as @Wing has suggested.
Oh definitely a balancing act and I've had a few registrations this year of actual members with very few spammers getting through and sitting in the approval queue, like perhaps just one or two. I don't want to go into the specifics of the anti-spam settings I use in case it tips them off, but it's nothing fancy, I assure you. However, they're effective.
 
You get a sad face Like as I fear that you're unfortunately right and the highlighted bit is the core of it. Look, my forum never took off all that well and now it's dropping further, with the handful of regulars, such as they were, posting much less than before. Very frustrating, I tell you, especially as those are quality members who really add value for myself, themselves and other members when they post. I've lately had a new member that's bucking that trend, but I need more like that for momentum to build.

It's a good thing that I run it as purely a hobby forum without ads as otherwise I'd have shut it down long ago if it was any kind of business venture.

Finally, if yourself or any xenforo.com member reading this does actually want to join, just DM me here and I'll create an account for you, bypassing all the antispam hoops with a fully active account.
No one will stay on this forum longer. The style is off-putting. You need to put more work into the style and promotion
 
Surely the point of forum software is to have a basic style that is easy to customise and build on? From what I see XF is exactly that.
It's ugly to be honest, but it gives you a lot of opportunities to create a beautiful style. We're just here for information.
Create a forum for a specific target. Forums with discussions about everything don't stand a chance these days, because people choose Reddit. It has to be a specific target and it's best if the forum also attracts with its appearance.
 
It's ugly to be honest, but it gives you a lot of opportunities to create a beautiful style. We're just here for information.
Create a forum for a specific target. Forums with discussions about everything don't stand a chance these days, because people choose Reddit. It has to be a specific target and it's best if the forum also attracts with its appearance.
Nah it's not. What's ugly is https://www.proboards.com with what Vertical Scope have done to it. Even vB looks ugly
 
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