XF 2.4 XenForo 2.4 status and what's new under the hood?

Where are we?​

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TL;DR: We're working hard to release XenForo 2.4 ASAP, but it's taking longer than expected due to scope changes and strategic decisions to wait for certain upstream developments that will benefit the long-term roadmap. Here's an analogy to explain why:

Software development is like planning a cross-country expedition with multiple destinations.

When you set out for version 2.4, you're not just driving to the next town over. You're charting a course through unknown territory with several strategic stops planned along the way - each representing a major milestone or feature release.

But the challenge is the landscape keeps changing along the journey.
  • New roads open up (better technologies emerge)
  • Bridges get washed out (dependencies break or become obsolete)
  • You discover scenic routes that would benefit all future travellers (opportunities for architectural improvements)
  • Weather conditions shift (market demands or user needs evolve)
  • Your vehicle needs unexpected maintenance (technical debt must be addressed)
You can't just focus on reaching the immediate next stop. You must consider how each decision affects the entire journey ahead. Taking a shortcut to reach 2.4 faster might leave you stranded when trying to reach 3.0, 4.0 or even 5.0.

This is why scope changes occur: experienced developers are constantly recalibrating the route based on new information, ensuring the expedition can successfully reach not just the next destination, but all the strategic waypoints that follow.

The delays aren't detours, rather they're course corrections that keep the long-term journey viable.

To be slightly less cryptic, these are some of the specific challenges we have faced along the way:

A new Tiptap version is coming​

When we announced that Tiptap is coming to XenForo 2.4 it was 95% complete, and we then took a bit of a pause to work on other projects, which we have talked about since and will be discussing in this thread. Since then, Tiptap have announced Tiptap V3 which is currently in beta. Given how core the editor is to the forum experience, it makes a lot of sense to ship XenForo 2.4 with Tiptap V3 rather than Tiptap V2 as originally planned. While the changes involved are not too extensive, we also don't want to ship 2.4 with a dependency that is still in beta and subject to change. While we are not planning to wait for Tiptap V3 to be stable, necessarily, we do at least want to give it a little bit more time so we have a higher degree of confidence that we're shipping a stable editing experience.

We started talking about a rewrite (again)​

While this is not currently the direction we've decided to go in, it's responsible for us to at least consider all routes available to us to help us reach our destination.

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After nearly 8 years since the release of XenForo 2.0, many of the technologies we use are showing their age, many of the decisions we made have started to slow us down more than we would like, and as a framework, XenForo becomes a less productive framework to work with. The solution to this problem can be to start from scratch, but we have ultimately decided that this is not something we need to do at this stage.

Instead, over the next few versions, including 2.4, we will be attempting to make iterative architectural changes to the framework so that we all have greater tools at our disposal to improve both the developer and user experience, particularly focusing on the implementation of developer tools and features that have become commonplace in other frameworks, such as Laravel.

Some of our best features are simply not finished​

There are one or two features that we see requested consistently from customers in our community forums and feedback channels, and we're excited to confirm they are coming in 2.4! However, it serves no one well if we release such highly-anticipated features before they are ready and before they have the usual level of quality, polish, and extensibility you would expect from a XenForo release. We'd rather take the extra time to get them right than rush them out and disappoint users with a subpar implementation that requires immediate patches or lacks the flexibility for customisation. We'll be sharing exciting details about what these features are and how they work in the coming weeks, so stay tuned!

We can't keep up!​

I just counted and there are about 15 features that have been merged or are pending to be merged into XF 2.4 that we haven't announced yet. Some of these are smaller and aren't worthy of a dedicated HYS of their own (so they'll probably be rolled into a "miscellaneous" HYS or two), and some of these are going to be mentioned below, but while we have been "cooking" (as the kids say these days) it has meant that things like code reviews, and writing HYS posts hasn't been easy to balance. There is also potentially more stuff coming from generous contributions from esteemed developers such as @Xon and @digitalpoint, assuming we have time to implement (otherwise they will wait for... a future version).


With all of that now being said, while 2.4 is taking longer than we wanted, we have been busy and we are very much nearing the end of development.

And, while disappointing (to all of us) it is important to maintain perspective. XenForo 2.2 was released in September 2020. XenForo 2.3 was released nearly four years later. XenForo 2.4 is not 3 more years away.

But, you clicked this to find out what's new, right? So let's go.
 
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You can customize the "What's new" tab as a regular user, so I'm not quite sure what you mean.

The XF "what's new" tab is not a great implementation, in terms of content discovery, visual approach and user friendliness. Any way you slice it... Compared to Invision "All Activity Stream" page and "My Activity Streams" plenty full of easily accessed options. It's easier to use, looks better, and provides the content in a better way. So compared to that specific area, then yes, Invision is definitely ahead. If you can't see that, well.. Please explain why.
I say that, as a XF user, and I would still not swap out XF with Invision as a whole (for a multitude of other reasons).. But isolated I can definitely see certain areas where XF are behind, obviously.
 
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The XF "what's new" tab is not a great implementation, in terms of content discovery, visual approach and user friendliness. Any way you slice it... Compared to Invision "All Activity Stream" page and "My Activity Streams" plenora of options. It's easier to use, looks better, and provides the content in a better way. So compared to that specific area, then yes, Invision is definitely ahead. If you can't see that, well.. Please explain why.
I say that, as a XF user, and I would still not swap out XF with Invision as a whole (for a multitude of other reasons).. But isolated I can definitely see certain areas where XF are behind, obviously.

Oh ok. Fair enough. Well, I'm with you on this. Invision may indeed have some pros, but they are not nearly enough to outweigh the cons.

2.2 came out half a decade ago. I don't think comparing 2.0 or 2.1 to anything is even remotely useful

And that's why I still gave a point to Invision, but to imply that XF has always had a buggy editor is silly, and again, Invision's editor is terrible anyway.
 
I see absolutely nothing wrong with XF's mobile view, but regardless, I'm glad XF is generally desktop centric. Hamstringing the desktop view for mobile is gross.
As a forum owner, admin and even as a user I prefer to use a desktop myself but desktop use within my forums is negligible so I have to give priority to members using smart devices. In the same way Xenforo gives priority to the desktop but still caters for mobile, it stands to reason that the reverse is still entirely possible.

I don't know what this is.
Drag and drop page creation allows you to arrange a page layout using drag and drop. It's a easy way to create a custom page using your data and block management.

You can customize the "What's new" tab as a regular user, so I'm not quite sure what you mean.
I wasn't aware you had that level of control as a user so it's probably something similar.

... With AI you mean?
I don't know what drives it but I do know AI integration is in the pipeline.

Filtering is a thing. Unless you mean something else.
It's not filtering it's switching page displays between the more traditional format, grid view or fluid view.
 
Drag and drop page creation allows you to arrange a page layout using drag and drop. It's a easy way to create a custom page using your data and block management.

Ah. Yeah, that would be nice.

I don't know what drives it but I do know AI integration is in the pipeline.

Well, either way, I gotta be honest, I wouldn't want that on my forum at all.

it's switching page displays between the more traditional format, grid view or fluid view.

I don't know why modern forum software feels the need to complicate the sub-forum listing page. The standard traditional list view works great and is very intuitive, and if you want to see the latest posts, you can accomplish that with a widget very easily. And again, users can also leverage the "What's new" page as well, should they desire to do so.
 
Well, either way, I gotta be honest, I wouldn't want that on my forum at all.
It's inevitable and probably sooner rather than later. Even my toothbrush is driven by AI! I think it depends on how its implemented. I'd have no real problem with AI powered tools that assist with engagement but AI created content... no thanks.

I don't know why modern forum software feels the need to complicate the sub-forum listing page.
I think it depends on the niche. I'd argue that image heavy content really benefits from a grid view.
 
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