Wordpress Drama
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eva2000
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The WordPress vs. WP Engine drama, explained | TechCrunch
The world of WordPress, one of the most popular technologies for creating and hosting websites, is going through a very heated controversy. The core issue
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Forsaken
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There's this video:
...A lot of his reasons and arguments are fairly disingenuous.
The structure of Wordpress Foundation opens up a lot of questions on his almost sole ownership and management of Wordpress, especially when he seemingly makes very emotional decisions that could have serious legal repercussions.
...A lot of his reasons and arguments are fairly disingenuous.
- Him saying that he could be removed from stewardship if the other board members wanted him removed... Even though said board members are uninvolved, and were placed there by him and have personal ties to him.
- His personal ownership of Wordpress.org, rather than it being owned by the foundation, when it is basically a mandatory requirement to take advantage of almost all services for Wordpess.
- The lack of transparency on being able to remove all access to Wordpress, without clear reasons.
- His initial actions were definitely not about trademark infringement, but specifically about contribution and money. Walking it back and now making it about trademark infringement when he could have clearly just updated the terms to use the phrase Wordrpess. Again, these have not been pushed on any other service provider and only on WP Engine so far.
The structure of Wordpress Foundation opens up a lot of questions on his almost sole ownership and management of Wordpress, especially when he seemingly makes very emotional decisions that could have serious legal repercussions.
Ricsca
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WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org
Pending their legal claims and litigation against WordPress.org, WP Engine no longer has free access to WordPress.org’s resources.
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I’ve heard from WP Engine customers that they are frustrated that WP Engine hasn’t been able to make updates, plugin directory, theme directory, and Openverse work on their sites. It sa…
drastic
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Wordpress is nice, but it's bloated as anything as everyone knows.
Matt should be more worried about making a faster system and getting rid of that Gutenberg garbage.
Baby Community
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When you develop a system, do you have to have a trademark? I think developing and producing it means having the rights! For example, whose blog is Taylor? Taylor's because it was developed by Taylor..
eva2000
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Seems WPEngine has their mirror system in place now. Not sure how it would work long term as I imagine it's still dependent on wordpress.org initial access.
This drama just highlights and puts on notice every for-profit WordPress user. Makes discussions like this one important https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/s/ZEtWFCZveD
My proof of concept for Cloudflare Worker/R2 S3 bucket and Cloudflare CDN cached WordPress plugin mirror system I whipped up https://gist.github.com/centminmod/952394157905596f4ef7656b3132f391
This drama just highlights and puts on notice every for-profit WordPress user. Makes discussions like this one important https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/s/ZEtWFCZveD
My proof of concept for Cloudflare Worker/R2 S3 bucket and Cloudflare CDN cached WordPress plugin mirror system I whipped up https://gist.github.com/centminmod/952394157905596f4ef7656b3132f391
Taylor J
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No you don't have to have a trademark. Creating something will give you the copyright on that though, but for your example of my addon, anyone can take it, modify it, and re-release it with their own name on it as that's how the MIT license works.
Mr Lucky
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I think you may be confusing trademark with copyright.
Ivancas
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Can you make a R2 addon for Wordpress? I'll be the first buyer.My proof of concept for Cloudflare Worker/R2 S3 bucket and Cloudflare CDN cached WordPress plugin mirror system I whipped up https://gist.github.com/centminmod/952394157905596f4ef7656b3132f391
M@rc
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I think @digitalpoint already made one? But it's the paid version of his WP plugin.
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CedricV
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Matt’s something…
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The Truth About Thesis.com
On July 8, 2015, I lost a legal battle against Automattic over thesis.com, despite owning the trademarks for Thesis and Thesis Theme in the website software space. Many of you have probably read the initial account of what happened on WP Tavern along with all of the comments. Unfortunately, as...
eva2000
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Well not a WordPress dev. But what's the use case ? If it's just for storage and you have dedicated or vps server root user access just mount R2 buckets as Linux filesystem and apps will just treat the mount as regular filesystem. My example https://github.com/centminmod/centminmod-juicefs
eva2000
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Yeah heard of Matt's actions. Between that and leaked SMS text messages of Matt's to WPEngine!Matt’s something…
The Truth About Thesis.com
On July 8, 2015, I lost a legal battle against Automattic over thesis.com, despite owning the trademarks for Thesis and Thesis Theme in the website software space. Many of you have probably read the initial account of what happened on WP Tavern along with all of the comments. Unfortunately, as...
Forsaken
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These numbers could be inflated or deflated, as I haven't fully verified the statistics myself:
WordPress powers 43.5% of all websites as their CMS. Around 478 million websites are built on WordPress. WordPress dominates the CMS market with a 62.6% share.
The initial issue stemmed from lack of contributions (or not enough) by WP Engine to the Wordpress Foundation (though they contribute through code, and not money), and then was changed to an issue of trademark with Automaticc (for the Wordpress Foundation). The retaliation of removing the use of Wordpress.org (which is built as a foundation of most backend Wordpress such as resources, and updates) was purely an emotional and personal action by Matt when WP Engine sent a C&D.
The only reason why this is important is that it has brought to light a lot of issues with the way that Wordpress is managed, and whether or not Matt is a proper steward for the foundation. The amount of control he has as an individual, the amount of control his for-profit company has, and how the Wordpress Foundation management has no check and balance for his behavior is worrisome.
Matt’s something…
The Truth About Thesis.com
On July 8, 2015, I lost a legal battle against Automattic over thesis.com, despite owning the trademarks for Thesis and Thesis Theme in the website software space. Many of you have probably read the initial account of what happened on WP Tavern along with all of the comments. Unfortunately, as...
The Thesis developer even admits that they were in the wrong regarding the GPL stuff, however Matt still has been a child up until about 2 years ago afaik. There are a few other examples of petty vindicitive behavior by Matt, though not $100,000 domain purchase petty.
Opus X
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honest question?
does that not apply to any outside program developer?
is xenforo protected from that?
have there not been some here that took back their cookies back and left?
i know that one site is still waiting on updates to an add on and they are a major coder to improve the xenforo program.
can that not be an issue with any program that is dependent upon outside improvements?
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Forsaken
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WP Engine not playing around: https://wpengine.com/wp-content/upl...WP-Engine-v-Automattic-et-al-with-Exhibit.pdf
There may be a few other non WPEngine examples of Matt's behavior coming to light soon, just unsure of when.
There may be a few other non WPEngine examples of Matt's behavior coming to light soon, just unsure of when.
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