Video Upload - Best Practices?

rockstarmind

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Hey guys,

What do you recommend I have my users do if I want them to upload video to my forum?

I currently have 25GB of server space (which I will upgrade as my forum grows). I’m aiming to have videos be no more than 30MB in size.

Typically my users post a video that’s between 1-5 minutes in length.

Curious about the device and process they should be using to achieve this.


Thanks and talk soon,

Steve
 
I can't comment on the specifics, like what the best approach is, but I would advise you to read this thread. If there are things to consider, I would imagine they would have been discussed on that thread when video uploads were introduced.

Also, considering that today's smartphones have in average 32GB/64GB space (1 single device), I believe 25GB of server space is not nearly enough for many users.

You should consider doing remote uploads for file storage. It's cheaper (but you have to configure it of course).

 
Thanks for the tips @sbj !

I tested recording straight to the forum from my phone at 720p and a 5 minute video without compression was about 30-40MB.

I figure a 40MB limit would get me around 500 video uploads from my users before I'd have to upgrade to 50GB or 100GB of server space.

I'll check out the threads and research more methods such as Handbrake or smartphone video compression apps.

Thanks again!
 
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This kind of scares me a bit:
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My members sometimes post videos with songs playing in the background.

Does Amazon moderate the content of the videos?
 
This kind of scares me a bit:
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My members sometimes post videos with songs playing in the background.

Does Amazon moderate the content of the videos?
I mean as long as your site's niche isn't in a gray area (like Cannabis forum), then you shouldn't worry about it at all.
Why? Because same arguement can be made for the hosting service you are using right now, right?
Your videos right now are uploaded to the hosting company your site is hosted on and that company could suspend your account at any given time, like any other hosting company. So why are you trusting that company over the biggest companies like Amazon or Digital Ocean?

If it would be a copyright infringement thingy, the hosting service would get a DMCA request and forward it to you asking to resolve the problem. You would delete that content/video and done. Nothing to worry about. But of course if your site is a gray area thingy, like a Warez type of thing or Cannabis... That is different.

And the another thing is if you live in the EU or your site is hosted in EU. The new regulations will cause a lot of problems, but for any kind of content (text, video, image, etc.)
 
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My users are guitar players who often play along with their favourite records. Purely for educational purposes.

Not sure if that would cause a problem.
 
My users are guitar players who often play along with their favourite records. Purely for educational purposes.

Not sure if that would cause a problem.
If they would upload those videos to Youtube, would that cause a problem? If yes, then probably yes, if not, then not.

It is a case by case thing. It depends on the laws you live, the site is hosted on or the upload was made from. If you seek professional advice, you have to talk to a lawyer.

To sum it up, I would say 99% you would have no problems at all. Don't worry about it. And again, read on DMCA takedown requests. IF ever someone would have a problem, they would ask you to remove those files, not suspend your account.
 
Yeah I hear that. Thanks man!

As far as DMCA goes, I could see how on a streaming site like YouTube, there would be issues, but how are these videos even being flagged?

Are people reviewing them or do bots scan the files and flag ones with copyright material?
 
Are people reviewing them or do bots scan the files and flag ones with copyright material?
Youtube is of course a special case. They are one of the biggest platforms on earth and people also upload their stuff to earn money.

As far as I know, Youtube has highly advanced algorithms (bots) to detect copyrighted material. For video sequences you may cheat your way, like show a clip of a movie with 5-10 secs, but for audio, it can detect stuff from 1 seconds to 3 seconds range and flag the content. In most of the cases it means that the copyright owner of that audio portion (often music someone owns) lets you to have that upload. But you can't turn on ads on the video, so can't make it commercial. The copyright owner would earn all the money and probably turn on ads on your video claiming you have copyrighted material from him. In other cases your video gets deleted, easy as that.

And also Youtube has a system where people can manually flag stuff as copyrighted material of course.

For you as a forum owner, there are no bots or algorithms which can detect anything. And, yeah, users could flag stuff (by clicking the report button) but you decide what to do with the content on your site. I wouldn't care at all unless someone from an official position contacted me (which they have to do, for that DMCA exist).

Your forum is probably very small (no offense) so you would fly under the radar anyway for years, IF you would have blatantly copyright infringing content. Which is not the case here. But again, contact a lawyer if you need professional help.

Maybe @Mr Lucky who owns a Jazz/Saxophon based forum (who lives in the UK if I am not wrong) can give more specific feedback about copyright and stuff. Or maybe @kontrabass ?
 
Maybe @Mr Lucky who owns a Jazz/Saxophon based forum (who lives in the UK if I am not wrong) can give more specific feedback about copyright and stuff.

That more or less sounds about right.

Allowing members to upload their videos (that contain copyright material) direct to your site is technically an infringement of copyright. And yes the new EU laws have more teeth than just a DMCA takedown notice.

However if the members upload to Youtube and you then embed the YouTube video, then that I believe is a lot safer as explained, those videos will have been through the Youtube content match process and the rightsholder given the chance to disapprove and have removed immediately, or else approve but with monetisation (More likely in my experience)

The other way is to get an online exploitation "blanket" licence. In the UK we can get one from MCPS and these allow a certain number of streaming or downloads for small sites.

What you do need to be aware of is is that any music track generally can have two distinct copyrights.

The copyright in the composition (held by the composer and their publisher)
The copyright in the recording (held by the artist and their label/producer)

On a guitar forum I imagine very often the members are playing the melody/improvising on a backing track. If it is there own backing track they recorded themselves (e.g. in a DAW or iReal Pro or Band in a box) then that is theirs, no problem.

If they are playing a melody, then that could have a copyright (of course if they composed it themselves or it is old enough to be public domain they own that copyright). And importantly any improvised section would be deemed to be the same copyright as the melody.

And then, just to complicate things further, there could well be a copyright on any images and/or moving footage used in the video. But again if it's Youtube then you can assume it has been passed by content matching filters.

Can of worms eh?
 
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Allowing members to upload their videos (that contain copyright material) direct to your site is technically an infringement of copyright.

Thanks for the reply @Mr Lucky - isn't playing along with a record for educational purposes considered fair usage?

Also, how would platforms like S3, Digital Ocean, or Dropbox even recognize material as being copyright content?
 
Thanks for the info guys! Out of curiosity, are you using video uploads on your forum?

If so, are you offloading to DigitalOcean Spaces or S3? Or are you using your main server for all uploads?
 
I'm not quite sure what you are saying here. That link does indeed encapsulate the law regarding educational fair use, but doesn't offer a lit to the OP regarding a guitar forum and uploading of videos.
And I'm not sure why you seem bent on making an "issue" of everything. I wasn't personally saying anything, just providing him a link where he could get the facts on Fair Use straight from the horse's mouth, as the saying goes.

And P.S. Depending on how they're done and presented, the videos uploaded to his site could qualify as educational/instructional or research, etc....
 
Thanks for the info guys! Out of curiosity, are you using video uploads on your forum?

I'm not. I'd love to but I as Youtube is there it's easier to encourage people to do that as opposed to being concerned about copyright infringement until such tomes as more realistic LOELs are in place
 
And I'm not sure why you seem bent on making an "issue" of everything.
Wow strange comment. No I'm not bent on making an issue - what makes you think that? I'm just hoping to provide useful info and experience.

And P.S. Depending on how they're done and presented, the videos uploaded to his site could qualify as educational/instructional or research, etc....

Indeed they could, but educational fair use is a defence, never an assumed right. If anyone thinks it is then they better have good lawyers to back that up. I believe it's worth letting people know the law. It is dangerous IMO to interpret the law as justifying what you do when it can just as easily be used by someone against you.
 
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Nor me, I'm not trying to make an issue, just hoping to provide useful info and experience.



Indeed they could, but educational fair use is a defence, never an assumed right. If anyone thinks it is then they better have good lawyers to back that up. I believe it's worth letting people know the law. It is dangerous IMO to interpret the law as justifying what you do when it can just as easily be used by someone against you.


And that's all I was doing, providing useful info. And I didn't need to add anything further because it's all there on the page I linked to:

In addition to the above, other factors may also be considered by a court in weighing a fair use question, depending upon the circumstances. Courts evaluate fair use claims on a case-by-case basis, and the outcome of any given case depends on a fact-specific inquiry. This means that there is no formula to ensure that a predetermined percentage or amount of a work—or specific number of words, lines, pages, copies—may be used without permission.

Please note that the Copyright Office is unable to provide specific legal advice to individual members of the public about questions of fair use.
 
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