I hear yah I hear yah ... it's just that I see that screen everyday so I knew what it was instantly and really thought no big deal...self-signed or expired certificate. I would have laughed the same be it any other site. But yeah the site being what it is I see your point totally and though I can't rescind that I think it is funny to a degree I can see why you believe it not to be funny. I am actually in the process of selling off my last personal 4pub license and I myself don't really care to hear about them anymore. I missed the IPB thread thing so I guess I will assume you have good reason behind your words. Maybe this thread could be closed or renamed to something less risque or something.