User upgrades and new EU VAT regulation re: digital services
- Thread starter Mr Lucky
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Fact is:
For foreign (non-EU) companies and sellers, it is not enforceable. Most won't comply (as they don't already). If they want to comply, the same changes apply at 1/1/15 as for all other sellers (see below).
For EU companies and sellers this is only a small change, since you are already forced to charge VAT to all european customers. Until 21/31/14 you have to charge the VAT amount of your (the sellers) home country. After 1/1/15 you have to charge the VAT amount of the home country of the buyer (you have to check at least his ip location).
It is more of a change for small sellers who are currently not forced to charge VAT. They need to charge VAT to buyers from foreign EU countries in the future. This is handled differently in each EU country.
For foreign (non-EU) companies and sellers, it is not enforceable. Most won't comply (as they don't already). If they want to comply, the same changes apply at 1/1/15 as for all other sellers (see below).
For EU companies and sellers this is only a small change, since you are already forced to charge VAT to all european customers. Until 21/31/14 you have to charge the VAT amount of your (the sellers) home country. After 1/1/15 you have to charge the VAT amount of the home country of the buyer (you have to check at least his ip location).
It is more of a change for small sellers who are currently not forced to charge VAT. They need to charge VAT to buyers from foreign EU countries in the future. This is handled differently in each EU country.
Daniel Hood
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There is and was no threshold for US sellers to charge tax to european customer.
You would have been required (by european law only) since some years to register and open a tax account at any european tax office and charge the VAT amount of that country to your customers.
I doubt that anyone will do this.
Daniel Hood
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I doubt anyone would do that, if anything I see some people denying sales to the countries that require the tax.
Russ
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Daniel Hood
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lol.Or just manually emailing them and apparently that's fine.
*Demands refund from @Chris D for the product manager*
Russ
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The more I read this:
But then there's this:
So if your user upgrades are tied to accessing content such as resources, add-ons, or in my case, data, then they would apply.
Of course, ignorance of the rules and what is and isn't covered is no excuse as far as the tax man is concerned.
The more I'm convinced forum user upgrades don't apply as it's just additional permissions mostly, not 'e-services' as such.
But then there's this:
So if your user upgrades are tied to accessing content such as resources, add-ons, or in my case, data, then they would apply.
Of course, ignorance of the rules and what is and isn't covered is no excuse as far as the tax man is concerned.
RobinHood
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Could he just program a tweak that adds lots of 'Send update' buttons next to a list of all the users who buy a product. Then every time the creator wants to send out an update they can brows through a list and 'manually' click each user to distribute it?
Might be a bit tedious for thousands of customers, but could work for a small amount.
Daniel Hood
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I was just kidding and I'm sure he knows that. I don't know if he's interested in making that change but that's actually what I'm likely to do. I'm pretty sure I'm going to modify my installation of the product manager to disallow downloading the file from there, and make it so I can click something to email the attachment to each person just as you mentioned. If Chris chooses to do it, I wouldn't mind, but I think that's the best solution.
Regarding this:
User upgrades don't involve an email sent by the site. The only email involved is the receipt/transaction email sent by PayPal, but that doesn't relate to any form of link to the "online content". The software just automatically upgrades the account.
So that being the case, I'm just going to ignore this ridiculous bit of legislation as far as user upgrades are concerned.
User upgrades don't involve an email sent by the site. The only email involved is the receipt/transaction email sent by PayPal, but that doesn't relate to any form of link to the "online content". The software just automatically upgrades the account.
So that being the case, I'm just going to ignore this ridiculous bit of legislation as far as user upgrades are concerned.
