The Orville

[BirdOPrey5]

Is anyone else loving this show? It is better than any Trek besides DS9 and TOS imo. Even more amazing is that (besides TOS) almost every Trek has had a mediocre or awful first season, the first season of The Orville was brilliant. We're in the middle of season 2 now and without giving spoilers they just finished their first 2 parter. Part 1 was epic... I didn't much care for Part 2 but I seem to be in the minority- most others loved it, many think it was even better than Part 1 (which may well be it's best episode) and that is saying a lot for this series. If you haven't checked it out and you like sci-fi even a little, you need to check it out!

 

[Jaxel]

Love Brannon Braga shows... ever since The Next Generation. The Orville is the Star Trek that Discovery isn't currently giving us.

I actually really liked the first season of Discovery; which I didn't expect to do. When Discovery was being advertised, the writers came out and said they based the Klingons on Trump supporters... that gave me hesitation. As a Trump supporter, and watching the leftist Hollywood media, I know first hand how the media misrepresents us. How they accuse us of being Nazi's, and fascists, etc (even though fascism and socialism are leftist ideologies, and Trump supporters are on the right). But then the show actually started airing... and I thought the Klingons were great. They were a proud race, trying to defend their culture. Sure, they were a bit jingoistic, but a lot of Trump supporters are. I thought it was a fair representation. It gave an even-handed representation to both sides of the isle... And this translated into a fantastic show.

But reportedly, the show-runners for Discovery were fired after the first season, because they wouldn't kowtow to the leftist ideology in the writer's room. So with new people taking over for season 2... You can really feel the heavy-handed anti-Trump anti-conservative bend the show now has. Not to mention, it's strayed far from the ideals of science and reality. Half the main characters on the show are now Mary-sue style "chosen ones".

 

[Walter]

I like watching Orville. But that said, there is no captain like Captain Jean-Luc Picard aka Patrick Stewart.

 

[Liam W]

Love The Orville, even if I do find some parts exceptionally cringey... though that's just a personality fault of mine.

Watched Season 1 and am following Season 2 (at the US pace). Love it so far. Loved the two parter (though I did prefer part one more than part two).

 

[Martok]

and fascists, etc (even though fascism and socialism are leftist ideologies

Facism is historically a far right-wing ideology. The Nazis definitely weren't left-wing. Having said that, there is a definition of left facism. I'd say that most people today who think and speak of facism are referring to the historical version ie far right.

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Back on topic, I am loving The Orville. To me it's a continuing in the spirit of the Star Trek / Star Trek TNG series but with a whole bunch more humour added in. It tackles topics as those series do and also ones that they would never cover (like Bortus' p*rn addiction) and the humour is just great.

I am also very much enjoying Star Trek: Discovery. Loved the first season (though the ending wasn't great, it felt rushed). Loving season 2 so far with the ongoing storyline as well as the separate stories each episode. It's great to have Captain Pike on board, very much liking his character. Tilly makes me laugh too.

 

[Jaxel]

Fascism is historically a far right-wing ideology. The Nazis definitely weren't left-wing.

I'll have to completely disagree to that. At least, in American politics, left-wing is collectivist/Marxist/communist, while right-wing is individualist/liberal/anarchist. Fascism is the ideology of collectivist power in a supreme authority. Nazis, were the National Socialists German Workers Party; they collected power in the state. Mussolini of the National Fascist Party, was also a member of the Italian Socialist Party.

The problem you are having is that the left has done a good job of "rebranding" words like fascism and liberal. Just because Wikipedia says something, doesn't make it true; anyone can edit Wikipedia. Even on the page for fascism, they call it "right-wing", but then they show a picture of Hitler and Mussolini, both who considered themselves left-wing socialists.

 

[Max Taxable]

It's a sitcom. Albeit one with a twist. Passes the time like any other sitcom.

 

[Martok]

I'll have to completely disagree to that. At least, in American politics, left-wing is collectivist/Marxist/communist, while right-wing is individualist/liberal/anarchist. Fascism is the ideology of collectivist power in a supreme authority. Nazis, were the National Socialists German Workers Party; they collected power in the state. Mussolini of the National Fascist Party, was also a member of the Italian Socialist Party.

The problem you are having is that the left has done a good job of "rebranding" words like fascism and liberal. Just because Wikipedia says something, doesn't make it true; anyone can edit Wikipedia. Even on the page for fascism, they call it "right-wing", but then they show a picture of Hitler and Mussolini, both who considered themselves left-wing socialists.

Heh I should have guessed that you'd come back on my links to Wikipedia for those reasons. Yes, anyone can edit Wikipedia but in general information on there is relatively correct due to the fact that people of all persuasions can edit it. Not everything on there is fake news.

Without spending hours looking at stuff to come back with, here's something quick for some thought:

You’ll often hear Left-wing people saying that fascism was a Right-wing movement because it stressed race or national identity. But some Right-wing thinkers insist it was a Left-wing movement because it rejected class elitism and put controls on the economy. The truth is that fascists usually defined themselves as being neither Left nor Right but a combination of whatever policies helped to win power and "rejuvenate" the nation.

(from an article in The Daily Telegraph, a newspaper that is considered to be on the right of the political spectrum).

It's an interesting point. There are aspects of behaviour of the Nazis/Mussolini/Hitler that could be considered right wing and also left wing. I guess that neither side of the political spectrum wants to have ownership of these people/groups so hurls the term 'facism' at the other.

 

[imno007]

It's an interesting point. There are aspects of behaviour of the Nazis/Mussolini/Hitler that could be considered right wing and also left wing. I guess that neither side of the political spectrum wants to have ownership of these people/groups so hurls the term 'facism' at the other.

Well, I'll just add that fascists tend to get a significant amount of their support by giving their people bogeymen to blame for most of their problems, said boygeymen usually being minority races and immigrants. I'm not going to get into any political argument here, but I'll leave it to others to decide whether they believe "leftists" or "rightists" or more prone to buy into that kind of ideology. Since we're linking articles:

No, Nazis were Not Leftists: Or, How to Debunk Right-Wing Propaganda - Wrath-Bearing Tree

It is not hard to imagine why one wouldn’t want to share ideological real estate with the Nazis, and once again I do in fact applaud the author for not wanting to admit such.

www.wrath-bearingtree.com

EDIT: By the way, I enjoy Orville, but like it more when it's not trying too hard to be funny.

 

[BirdOPrey5]

I've edited wikipedia before to correctly state Nazism was far-left, not far-right, but they undid the change in seconds. How did we get from The Orville to naxis?

 

[imno007]

I've edited wikipedia before to correctly state Nazism was far-left, not far-right, but they undid the change in seconds. How did we get from The Orville to naxis?

Probably because every history book ever written, at least the ones by real historians, disagree with you, so not so shocking that they wouldn't allow people to spuriously rewrite history to further their own political agenda. I know, I know, it's all a big conspiracy on the part of "The Left" that's been perpetuated for decades to make people believe that they're the good guys, you don't have to try to convince me.

 

[jmurrayhead]

So I've been wanting to watch The Orville for a while now and this thread inspired me to go ahead and purchase seasons 1 and 2 on Amazon. It reeks of Seth McFarlane's style - from the comedy, the music...just everything about it I can tell it's Seth McFarlane. And for me, that's not a bad thing. It definitely has some cringe-worthy moments and I wish it would be a little bit more serious, but I am absolutely enjoying it.

 

[thumped]

Nazis, were the National Socialists German Workers Party; they collected power in the state. Mussolini of the National Fascist Party, was also a member of the Italian Socialist Party.

Seriously, dude? Seriously? Google "were nazis socialists?" and pick one.

The nazis were socialists - only - if you accept Hitler's redefintion of the word.

"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."

Great interviews of the 20th century: Adolf Hitler interviewed by George Sylvester Viereck

Edited interview of Adolf Hitler by George Sylvester Viereck that took place in 1923. It was republished in Liberty magazine in July 1932.

www.theguardian.com

 

[ŽivaAkcija]

most stupid tv show ever watch it.