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Lukas W. said:
What I've noticed ever since the switch from XenForo 1 to XenForo 2 is that the XF community has sharply raised their standards and demands
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My thoughts about that:
I can imagine that the average XF1 customers were more "webdevelopment" affine, often self working in IT and had first contact with XF1 on a IT-affine board. Because the other less IT-affine customers had chosen other "out of the box all in one solution" forum platforms they knew as a user of non-IT-affine boards. XF was like a small independent company and a secret tip in the early time.

XF has raised his market share in the last years, I can imagine even more with XF2. New customers are probably less "webdevelopment" affine and younger. Younger customers use mobile apps, especially the well known big and polished "for free" apps. They are used to "daily" and "free" updates.
 
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sbj said:
corporate game studio
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whole big company ThemeHouse
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sbj said:
Compared to the size of your team
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sbj said:
biggest company
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I do want to get back on topic if that's ok. But just so you know (and I'm humbled) we are a very small operation. We do a good job of being thorough and I think ironically your argument against quality is actually a sign FOR the high level of quality we offer with such a small product team (more or less me a bit and Lukas mostly lol) - I'll take it as a compliment but yeah we aren't as big as you think. Our work in XenForo add-ons was never a good earner, we donate our time for all intents and purposes. The license fee is more a way for us to cover the support or at least help with it.

We work one on one with clients who pay for premium quality experiences. And we are rather selective of who we work with. That is what the other 14 members of our team do. And most of the work we do these days is not based alone in forums and hasn't been for years. We manage one of the largest video sites in the world as well as a lot in esports, sports, entertainment, education, and more. My personal love is in all the communities we get to work with as well, we are blessed to work with some of the most successful in the world and I don't mean just size. True pioneers who are making a difference. The guy fixed my pool? Uses a client's community. The company who cleaned office carpets? Uses a client's forum for tips. Tech support or a huge amount of other topics? We meet people a lot who know or use one of our clients communities for one reason or another. Forums have a huge reach and community is the backbone of our agency. We just aren't building products just to build anymore.
 
@Mike Creuzer
I've been playing with the demo and many of the widget positions don't seem to work. If, for example, I choose "Forum list: Above nodes" or "Forum list: Below nodes," I don't see anything. The only positions that seem to work are the sidebar ones - but not even all of those. Am I missing something, or is this all working as intended...?
 
imno007 said:
@Mike Creuzer
I've been playing with the demo and many of the widget positions don't seem to work. If, for example, I choose "Forum list: Above nodes" or "Forum list: Below nodes," I don't see anything. The only positions that seem to work are the sidebar ones - but not even all of those. Am I missing something, or is this all working as intended...?
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Im on your demo now and seems to be working. Are you trying to add the widget to a page that doesnt support live filtering? Like say a profile page or forum list?
 
Right, I was wanting to place it on the main forums page, above the node lists (which right now is only "Main forum" on the demo), but I assume it just doesn't work there. Or anywhere on Overview. I just wasn't sure if this was as intended. Probably because I've never been sure whether or not third-party devs can simply not show positions that don't work for their addons... Some limitation of XF? :unsure:
 
Or actually, now that I think of it, I'd settle for Forum list: Sidebar, but it doesn't seem to work there either.
 
Is there a setting to keep filter set between trending, latest and new posts.

It's annoying as you page between and filters are removed.
 
You guys ruined our whole site. Really disappointed about discontinuing the Topics plugin all of a sudden.

Now can you at least add an option to force people to select the filter when they create a new thread and post the thread to the relevant node automatically depending on the filter they have selected.

Topics was the only modern way to which FB, insta user can understand easily and post threads.
Going back to normal xenforo select the node and post the threads all are complex and discouraging to non forum users.
So i don't mind you having nodes agian, but atleast add an option to create a thread easily like it was with Topics.

And allow adding multiple topics to a single thread. If not this is just the xenforo prefix system with fancy homepage widget
 
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Max said:
You guys ruined our whole site. Really disappointed about discontinuing the Topics plugin all of a sudden.

Now can you at least add an option to force people to select the filter when they create a new thread and post the thread to the relevant node automatically depending on the filter they have selected.

Topics was the only modern way to which FB, insta user can understand easily and post threads.
Going back to normal xenforo select the node and post the threads all are complex and discouraging to non forum users.
So i don't mind you having nodes agian, but atleast add an option to create a thread easily like it was with Topics.

And allow adding multiple topics to a single thread. If not this is just the xenforo prefix system with fancy homepage widget
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I've created the website using this topics plugin and now with this [TH] Filter plugin, you can't possibly create threads that have multiple relations.
I don't know what to do now. @Mike Creuzer is it possible to combine the Tag system with this Filter plugin?
 
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I'll respond more thoroughly later, but you are welcome to keep using Topics if you need to. But even Topics used nodes as the primary way to organize. The only disadvantage is that you cannot do multiple nodes, but that was the part that was hard to maintain.

There were not many people using Topics that were not an enterprise client of ours, but happy to fix any issues I can. I fail, so far, to see the major concern. It was not a popular product, this is how we fix that.
 
Also we want to integrate with Xons multiprefix. He put a lot of work into that and might be the best system I know of for multiple tagging.
 
Mike Creuzer said:
I'll respond more thoroughly later, but you are welcome to keep using Topics if you need to. But even Topics used nodes as the primary way to organize. The only disadvantage is that you cannot do multiple nodes, but that was the part that was hard to maintain.

There were not many people using Topics that were not an enterprise client of ours, but happy to fix any issues I can. I fail, so far, to see the major concern. It was not a popular product, this is how we fix that.
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In simple Topics was the single best addon on xF which made forums user friendly to attract new age social media users.
Its sad these old forum admins not wanna put time to use it and sticking to their old fashion forums until they run out of users. (Trust me normal people hate these standard complex forum interfaces and don't want to waste time on learning.)
Anyway I can't keep on using discontinued Topics plugin because when xF make an update you will not support the plugin.
But atleast integrate topics to xenforo tags system or something so not much burden on you to keep updating whole new system.
Xenforo has no new user attraction without such modern approach.
 
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Issues and also some thoughts on improvement.
  • Keep filter set between trending, latest and new posts (like topics) It's annoying as you page between and filters are removed.
  • Trending in the .uix_mainTabBar = threads/trending whilst trending in navbar = trending/threads.1/.
  • Trending configurations aren't shown against threads/trending.
  • Position changes also do not show against threads/trending
  • threads/latest and threads/newest. Showing as 71 queries vs 21 on trending
SELECT xf_thread_watch.*
FROM xf_thread_watch

WHERE (xf_thread_watch.thread_id = *) AND (xf_thread_watch.user_id = 1)

And

SELECT xf_thread_user_post.*
FROM xf_thread_user_post

WHERE (xf_thread_user_post.thread_id = *) AND (xf_thread_user_post.user_id = 1)


threads/trending
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/trending/threads.1/
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Moving from Topics to Filters, the biggest miss is the clean method of posting as if you have many nodes the default is not up to the job.
Can you utilise the Post topic Selector, but using nodes? Love the search option and fits so much more on the screen.

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arms said:
Issues and also some thoughts on improvement.
  • Keep filter set between trending, latest and new posts (like topics) It's annoying as you page between and filters are removed.
  • Trending in the .uix_mainTabBar = threads/trending whilst trending in navbar = trending/threads.1/.
  • Trending configurations aren't shown against threads/trending.
  • Position changes also do not show against threads/trending
  • threads/latest and threads/newest. Showing as 71 queries vs 21 on trending
SELECT xf_thread_watch.*
FROM xf_thread_watch

WHERE (xf_thread_watch.thread_id = *) AND (xf_thread_watch.user_id = 1)

And

SELECT xf_thread_user_post.*
FROM xf_thread_user_post

WHERE (xf_thread_user_post.thread_id = *) AND (xf_thread_user_post.user_id = 1)


threads/trending
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/trending/threads.1/
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Moving from Topics to Filters, the biggest miss is the clean method of posting as if you have many nodes the default is not up to the job.
Can you utilise the Post topic Selector, but using nodes? Love the search option and fits so much more on the screen.

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I noticed this disparity too, looks like different views. The trending/threads.1 correctly shows the Arrows for position changes yet it doesn't show Filters. The threads/trending view shows Filters but no arrows so I think some cleanup is needed.
 
imno007 said:
Or actually, now that I think of it, I'd settle for Forum list: Sidebar, but it doesn't seem to work there either.
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The filter widget grabs the filter menu from the current page. If there is none, there's no widget to show.

Max said:
You guys ruined our whole site. Really disappointed about discontinuing the Topics plugin all of a sudden.
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Nobody discontinued topics. We've discontinued selling it to people.

Max said:
Now can you at least add an option to force people to select the filter when they create a new thread and post the thread to the relevant node automatically depending on the filter they have selected.
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I don't see the point in that over just having them select the node. They're literally filtering by node in the first place.

arms said:
  • Trending in the .uix_mainTabBar = threads/trending whilst trending in navbar = trending/threads.1/.
  • Trending configurations aren't shown against threads/trending.
  • Position changes also do not show against threads/trending
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This is intentional. The view picks the highest priority trending thread configuration for display automatically, and brings the experience in sync with latest threads and newest posts. We also think that the ease of ajax filtering will very quickly have the user lose the sense of what the position changes are actually depicting, as they aren't dynamically trackable and only work against the "full list" of threads, so we stripped them.
 
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