Random thread about the state of XenForo

No, you made analogies to cars and then we all went down that path because you want to see a "race car" turned into a comfy mid-size sedan that you used to drive.

The questions are simple: So why not just go back to vB 4.x? If vB 4.x had everything you need then why make a commitment to XF knowing that it likely might never have the same features you believe you need?
I gave you the answer though. What's so hard to understand about the need for speed?
 
I gave you the answer though. What's so hard to understand about the need for speed?
And with all of that speed (yet again the "race car") your goal is to tack on every shiny thing from the JC Whitney catalog that you can get your hands on because that is what the clunky sedan you used to drive had. Nobody wants that except you and then you constantly complain about something in XF with the justification that vB4 had it. I don't want to run vB4, I don't want XF to turn into vB4, and, based upon threads like this, that seems to be the majority opinion. If you want vB4 then run it and complain to vB about the speed of it because you will likely have a better response to asking how to speed up vB4 then you will about how to turn XF into vB4.
 
Well, here is my two cents. And before I begin, thought I'd say this thread had me rollin. :p

Anyways, XenForo is a unique system. Arguably one of the most powerful and extendable systems there is on the internet. But it came in when competitors in a similar market, forum markets, were extremely well established. So it isn't fair to say that XenForo is behind in anything other than time, and time is a factor no one can change. We have THE BEST software devs/owners (KAM), THE BEST community managers/mods/support, THE BEST developers, and some of the absolute most dedicated forum administrators and users there are hands down. Time will bring even more features and plugins than there already are.

And honestly, how useful is a casino system to the general user :/ If things like this is all there is to complain about, well thats not saying much.
 
I disagree. vB4 had a lot features I needed at the time such as a CMS, a blog and a widget framework. Now it has way more, the most important new feature being a navigation manager. Xenforo 1.0 was barebones and lacked a lot of basic features that vBulletin already had. It couldn't even handle over 20 themes on shared hosting cause of some weird memory leak. Everytime you added an addon, language pack or theme it caused the whole site to be inaccessible to your users. VB 4.1 was superior in many ways, just not in speed and SEO.

I gave you the answer though. What's so hard to understand about the need for speed?

So you're saying you moved from a fast vB 4.1 that could handle lots of add-ons and themes to Xenforo that can't handle all of this as it grinds to a halt? Yet you say that Xenforo is lean and fast and you want to stuff it with add-ons?!

I think you need to make your mind up here. I'm also thinking that you made the wrong decision and you should be back on vB 4.1 - you're singing more praises for this than for Xenforo.
 
I love XF for all it is, but i somewhat miffed that something like a navigation manager has been requested since 2010, has the most likes of any suggestion (which the devs are supposedly paying attention to) yet 4 years later and we have nothing on that front. Ok i get that the smiley manager might be useful for some...but is it anywhere near as valuable as a core feature as what a navigation manager would be? Surely the core should be the main features and functions of a forum, a smiley manager and most of the other "**** features" that have been added in the past couple of release would have been better served as addons by the community devs..or perhaps added later?

This post says it all - http://xenforo.com/community/threads/advanced-navigation-tabs-and-sub-tabs.2670/#post-38882

It couldn't even handle over 20 themes on shared hosting cause of some weird memory leak.

20 styles? wtf o_O. And yet you complain that your users dont know how to do basic functions within a forum and you want to simplify things...or that you are spending exorbitant amount of time on your forum to make it work ?
 
... Ok i get that the smiley manager might be useful for some...but is it anywhere near as valuable as a core feature as what a navigation manager would be? ...
Depends on individual needs/wants. I have not missed a navigation manager while the smiley changes in 1.3 I was able to put to use.
 
Something like that but I wouldn't say that I'm not happy. I'm good! Even if it had all that extra stuff I'd probably find something else to request.

Item #2 on your list: Latest Post First as an Option (exists as an addon) Exists in vBulletin 4 as Core

People use this option on vBulletin because it doesn't remember exactly what posts they seen/not seen; vBulletin knows only if someone has added to a thread since you last looked at it.

I find XF's approach to this to be much superior. I don't want to read things backwards until the posts start looking familiar, which I still have to do in the very few vBulletin boards that I still read. XF just picks up where I left off last time, which is a much more natural approach.

Your list looks to me like the list of someone who mostly doesn't want to change, but change happens.

One benefit of having key developers with a decade or so of experience with earlier versions of the competing product is that they're going to have lots of valuable hindsight as to what worked well and how some things might be done better. Item #2 is a great example of that.

I ran 4 vBulletin boards, chose XF for #5 and eventually migrated everything. I've made tens of thousands of posts in both vBulletin and XF boards. The overall user experience both as a forum member and as a forum administrator is much better here.

The only thing in your list that I might get excited about is Navigation Manager ...
 
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