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Possible Refuge from vBulletin... features comparison?

Discussion in 'XenForo Pre-Sales Questions' started by jefferis, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. jefferis

    jefferis Member

    Hi folks, I am the web designer for a bunch of forums using vBulletin, and we have not been happy with the bugginess of it and the odd CSS modification system. We are starting some new community forums and have heard favorable things about xenForo.
    1. I don't really know where to begin but we need to ask about feature comparisons or charts... are there any?
    2. I assume we can customize xF with our own designs? Is the CSS standard?
    3. We also want to know where the plugin system stands at this point, what is available for instance.
    4. And finally we want to know about the tech support, if it is more responsive than vB.
    We are considering opening a new forum that will not need very many mods except spam prevention and possible memberships. vB allows us to automate membership renewals, e.g.
    We will use things like Shopping Carts, Tapatalk, Likes, but for other forums, which are car sites (IGOTACOMMUNITY.COM), we also use things like Member Garage, and DTO, and Enthusify for classified sales.
    If the options are comparable, we would like to create all new sites using xenForo.
    Thank you in advance for help and consideration.
    Jefferis Peterson
    V.P. IGOTA, Inc.
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  2. Morgain

    Morgain Well-Known Member

    Hi Jefferis. I'm not a mod just one of the many helpful helpers on XF and will do my best to answer.
    Usually one of the mods will check what I say if I beat them to it, snd add bits if necessary.

    1. I don't really know where to begin but we need to ask about feature comparisons or charts... are there any?
    I don't know of any because there are so many feaatures to compare. One recent newcomer did a mediawiki about it but it was specialised to his site's needs.
    Here's a quick attempt.

    INSTALLATION A+ smooth, simple. I'm no geek and I can do it.
    SEO A+
    ADMIN EASE OF USE A (I leave off the + here due to quibbles but nothing major - mostly very sleek, instant access)
    STICKINESS A+ Admins actually have members complaining they can't get away!
    1. I assume we can customize xF with our own designs? Is the CSS standard?
    CSS is standard with a few XF additions. Not many - they are shortcuts.

    CUSTOMISATION is very easy and incredibly flexible. Most of the colours have their own system with a palette you can change - lots of Style pages you can adjusty with selections and additional css if you want.
    There's a brilliant feature of a protected EXTRA.css which adds tweaks you choose and never gets overwritten.
    Template tweaks are flagged up cleaerly so you can manage through upgrades
    Addon "TMS" also manages design tweaks without changing the original tempolates
    There's an addon calle TMS people rave about - tweak any template w/o changing the template.
    Then there's Shelley our resident css genius who responds fast and does endlessly beautiful and clever things.
    1. We also want to know where the plugin system stands at this point, what is available for instance.
    See Resources on the navbar. They are all there searchable with reviews, and support threads.
    Last I counted around 500 items. Unlike VB almost all are live and well supported.
    A major differnce is XF hosts the addon community right here as central to the community, not separated off. Addons can be free (loads of VERY good ones free) or can cost $5 - $50 but not many at the high end.
    Support is excellent. The mods here all do addons themselves so they like them. They tend to know the addons and will gladly advise on them here on the board - addons and core are not run separately though ticketed help is for the core.
    1. And finally we want to know about the tech support, if it is more responsive than vB.
    No comparison. It's pretty slow going if you have to wait as much as 10 hours, More likely 2 - 3.
    Ticketed support also good though the board is so good Ive only ever use tickets where I need to give FTP access for a design issue.

    Don't worry I also critique XF lovingly and fiercely.
    On the node list (admincp) it doesnt display the order number on the list which is a pain to open them individually to check and adjust. A VB win there - I HATE that! so I'm about to get it tweaked.
    Conversations (PCs) are deficient in features but the fantastic Conversation addon by Syndol more than remedies it. He does a free and paid version.
    We need a search that includes our static pages as well as threads and posts but a little bird tells me that's on the way.
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  3. Morgain

    Morgain Well-Known Member

    SPAM Using captcha and question/ answer as native to XF this is an A maybe A-
    There're several different addons that offer excellent alternatives. See Resource Manager.

    Shopping cart - Microcart has been adapted from VB (the Hellas lady) or there's another in fast development where you can dive in and put your vote in the final stage right now. Recommended dev.

    Memberships - not certain - XF does upgrades on memberships as core.
    I'm pretty sure Ive seen threads for addons discussing this but the new shopping cart will do it anyway - subscriptions - hmm I have seen Paid premium stuff in admincp but I haven't used it.

    Classified sales there is an ddon maybe more than one - see Resources. This new cart will do it.

    Tapatalk - Ive seen some criticisms of that but recent comments of an alternative. Sorry don't remember where.
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  4. Digital Doctor

    Digital Doctor Well-Known Member

    vBulletin 3 is good for car sites.
    That is what Internets Brands use for the hundreds of car sites.
    Almost none of their sites use vB4, none use vB5.
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  5. Morgain

    Morgain Well-Known Member

    Yes if you choose VB get 3.8
    the rest is expensive rubbish.
  6. Slavik

    Slavik XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    Hi Jefferis,

    1) We don't have any at the moment, they are also kind of moot, most forum software nowdays all comes with the same or similar functionality, all the features you see here at XenForo.com is what the board comes with.

    2) The template system in XenForo is very easy to work with, each template has its own css file if relevent and an extra.css is used for all your own custom code.

    3) You can take a look over here: http://xenforo.com/community/resources/

    4) We aim to answer support tickets ASAP. Depending on when you send it in, this happens from within a couple of minutes to a few hours in most cases. The forum community support is also top notch ;)

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  7. Jake Bunce

    Jake Bunce XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    1) Are there specific features you are looking for?

    I am reminded of Kier's interview:


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    Mike Edge Formerly Da Bookie Mon

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  9. User

    User Well-Known Member

    Depending on what exactly you need the memberships part may be a total dealbreaker.
    In XF you can promote members vial paid membership upgrade. So they pay and will be put into a different membership group. That feature works well and is well implemented on the ACP side.

    However, XF completely lacks the group membership management for non-paid upgrades that you know from vB. So in XF you cannot have publicly join-able member groups. You cannot designate a group leader who then approves group members or can removed them like in vB.
  10. Morgain

    Morgain Well-Known Member

    There are social groups addons that do this.
  11. ENF

    ENF Well-Known Member


    The two [Social Groups Addons] that are available do not replicate the same thing that is in vBulletin. Those are literally 'Social' groups, not 'Public Groups' that are set in vBulletin by the administrator that users can join through their User CP.
  12. Nelson T.

    Nelson T. Guest

    Sorry to hear this. My users on VB user the public interest groups to set up groups based on their own machinist interests or local area groups and those really need to be imported from VB or they will be peeved about loss of content.
  13. ENF

    ENF Well-Known Member

    Wow. Blast from the past - you should really seek out more recent updates before relying these older threads and posts. Best to chrism the resources section or make a new thread.

    Jan. 2013 is ancient in Internet terms...

    That all said, not sure what's changed relative to your interest in P/SIGs.
  14. RobParker

    RobParker Well-Known Member

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