New generic TLDs from ICANN - .CANON .PARIS .WHATEVER .BuyWHY ?

Kim said:
...but I can totally see how Mega Corps would use their own .domains
franchise.mcdonalds, findmynearest.mcdonalds, employment.country.mcdonalds, suburb.mcdonalds, suburb.city.country.mcdonalds
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Agreed.
green.mcdonalds
stockprice.mdonalds
ronaldmcdonald.mcdonalds
jobs.mcdonalds
mobile.mcdonalds
etc.

My answer is this is NOT ENOUGH reason. why ?

mcdonalds.com/green
mcdonalds.ca/stockprice
mcdonalds.com/ronaldmcdonald
mcdonalds.com/jobs
mcdonalds.com/mobile
is good enough.

Anyone know who wants this at all ? Except ICANN ($$$$$) ?
 
Brogan said:
Why would anyone other than McDonalds want a .mcdonalds domain?
Ditto for Microsoft, Coke, IBM, Apple, etc?

It's nothing more than a money making exercise for ICANN.
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There is a great deal of controversy at present about whether the priority is making money at the expense of endless confusion. Do we really need all these extra tlds? How about .mobi? That one really caught on, didn't it? How about the attempts to use country codes to fool common people as to the purpose of the tld, e.g. .ws, .me, .tv, etc. with no enforcement or rules. I remember the days when .com meant commerce, .net meant an online service provider and .org meant a non-profit organization. There are rules for naming a corporation and there isn't any reason why rules shouldn't be there to maintain a sense of order in the online universe.
 
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So now if you're a trademark owner, you need to buy - or sue if you can - every jerk who registers every TLD that you couldn't grab yourself. And your budget then goes through the roof when you have to pay fees to every country and other registry that charges what it wishes, e.g. .TV which was $50 at some point.

It's sad, pathetic and ruining the Internet. I've read somewhere something about offering to sell a custom TLD to any company willing to pony up the dough.
 
Horrible idea though, all it means is that every website has to buy more and more variants of it's name just to protect it's reputation or brand integrity.
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On the contrary, big company buys ".widgets" they own the ".widgets" and write all their own foo.widgets, bar.widgets, etc.

There will be a lot of devalued squatted domains.
 
There is no limit to the number of suffixes that can be created, but the process for applying for one is both expensive and complex. It will cost $185,000 to apply for a custom suffix and applicants would need to show they have a legitimate claim to the name they are buying. ICANN will keep the application fee even if the application is rejected, the non-profit group said. It will also cost about $25,000 a year to run the registry after it’s approved.

The application fee will cover costs incurred by ICANN to develop the new gTLDs, to hire experts who will handle the applications and to fund potential legal actions from applicants who don’t get the domains they want. The price is also set to be high enough to deter most cyber-squatters from grabbing names and will cover the cost of review to ensure applicants are not violating trademark rights, ICANN said.
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So you can apply for $185,000 and still not get it....and part of the fee is used for lawyers to be used to debunk you in court when you get denied and take legal action. I thought gambling was quasi illegal here in the US?

Other than just being a gamble as the way it is written...the potential for profit is crazy with the right custom tld. If it was .now or anything that can be used in a sentence you can go create a domain with anything before the .now you now control a limitless amount of domains. Am I understanding this right? Or doIunderstandthis.now
 
Yes, a business becomes it's own registrar for a custom tld (you're buying the right side of the last dot) thus you can create nearly unlimited domains.

That's why the application fee is high and rigorous and thwarts the domain squatter equation and devaluing any squatted ".com".
 
I always had a question (a few really) about domain squatting ever since the first time I had heard the term...

Here is how I view it...

entity buys a .tld and can sell .+\.com domains. = fair because they paid a lot of money for the rights to anything prefixing the tld.

a registrar sells any domain that they can for a price = fair because they are making a percentage selling it (i would assume so ; if everyone can sell .com's then money has to get kicked upstairs somewhere right?)

premium domain names = wtf ...no one owns the domain yet it is being reserved for a stupid large price (one I was trying to buy they wanted over 7000 dollars for.) But if some joe shmo puts 100 dollars on a domain and makes the sacrifice to do so and buys it legally before someone else does and sells it for a higher price he is a squatter (I am not going to even get into the connotations of that word)

I mean, is anyone who buys a domain name with the intent to sell it a squatter?

And why is a person who bought something with the intent to sell it considered in a derogatory manner, or is the point being that you need to buy the tld if you want to make money off of domain names as a buisness?
 
I thought they shot down this idea? I was sure I read somewhere that the abuse for this would be far to great so it wasn't going to happen. I must have been mistaken.

EQnoble: if you buy a domain with the intent to withhold it from someone who will actually use it and make them pay for it more than it is worth is a squatter. For example if you bought modernwarfare3.com before Activi$on did you probably would have made a fair bit from it. Anyone doing this is practising in an immoral act. Not that bad really, I would do it if I wanted and not feel bad at all, but still immoral the same. It's like buying the last pie from someone just because someone else wanted it and then selling it to them for twice the price :p
 
Makes sense...so the rub is that to do it without being immoral one would have to own a tld to reserve the right to jack up the price based on linguistics, trending verbatim, insider knowledge (like knowing about a company before an IPO ) , or whatever other criteria that the entity saw fit. Sound right?

I mean it sounds like the little guy is cut off at the knee or shunned as a bad guy where as if you already have 500 grand and can put it out there for a couple of years your allowed to get richer and it is legit and no one hates. Hmm.

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Now about this tld thing...superimposing myself into the situation, say I go apply and receive my own tld. Call it .xf. What would be my legal rights as far as terms of resale. Assume I have my own business model..is there any guidelines or code of conduct that it needs to follow in order for me to be sole reseller of said TLD.

Take this example....in my case this is what I would do.
  • I would want to have all individual sales be at a request level...with accepted application responses generating a 7 day window to accept the application and displaying the final price.
  • In cases such as xenforo.com I would would literally give them the permanent rights to xenforo.xf, I would use the ones I wanted and anyone with a legit claim to a name that is not generic (if the domain name is mynameisjoemama.xf I wouldn't even research for more than 2 minutes to figure out whether or not it is protected...that's a joke but I have a lack of expression to describe this in a way that could be conveyed in a legal sense at the moment so whatev.) , names such as pepsi.xf, coca-cola.xf or even something like enzosartori.xf because it is a name that is a brand that is already known and research-able would simply not be available for any one other than a pool of appropriate prospective owners per occurrence but still be at my discretion as to whether or not I want a cooperate group represented at all on my TLD.
  • I would want to reserve the right to not accept an application for any reason, and though I would not exactly charge for it, I would require a deposit of 1 dollar to make sure that the potential purchaser actually has some kind of credit available to them online which would be returned upon application determination no matter the result.
  • I would also like to be able to just straight up acknowledge ownership of DOMAINNAMES.xf to those I feel appropriate assuming they accept it, without them ever needing to purchase anything, pay taxes on or have any other responsibilities otherwise besides those that come with running your own site inherently.
  • I would not want xxx content available (not against it , there is just plenty of other TLDs to establish a domain at already and chances are xxx content is already there.) on my tld and don't know if I could make that a stipulation legally to anyone intending to use a domain from my TLD or if I could reserve the right to disappear the domain name and ownership record entry based on that without needing a court order.
These are the kind of questions and thoughts that come to mind and for a while I have been wondering how this works...I have never been able to find concrete documentation about the ins and outs that go with this.
 
My post was to do with domains only btw. TLDs is a whole new thing and no one really knows how they will play out.
 
Robbo said:
My post was to do with domains only btw.
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Nah I know...the second part of my post was general query to anyone that may or may not have some insight on the matter is all. That's why I did the _____________________ to create the boundary instead of making a back to back spam like post.
 
Dammit now I have to do it...

In a legal sense, like Xenforo is protected as XenForo Ltd. and that as it is written exactly. If you own a tld you own in a business sense, all domains under the tld until you transfer them #.+\.(<tld>YourTLD)#si which would make 'anything.TLD' different than 'anything' protection-wise right? I am just firing questions off as they come..sorry to anyone that this pisses off.
 
A bit more on the news:

Web domains to get major overhaul with custom names

Applications will soon open for new top-level domains in the biggest change to the system in over two decades.

From Thursday it will be possible to register almost any word as a web address suffix.

Familiar endings like .com and .org could potentially be joined by the likes of .pepsi, .virgin or .itv.

The proposals are controversial but Icann, the organisation which regulates domain names, says the change increases choice and competition.

In December, the US Federal Trade Commission wrote to Icann warning that the expansion of generic top-level domains (gTLDs) "has the potential to magnify both the abuse of the domain name system and the corresponding challenges we encounter in tracking down Internet fraudsters."

And in the US, the Association of National Advertisers, whose members include some of America's biggest companies, have also opposed the changes.

Not cheap

But Peter Dengate Thrush, a former chairman of Icann's board of directors, said the change was necessary.

"It's badly in need of overhaul," he told the BBC.

"No-one would design a domain name system now for several billion users just using a couple of names that we started the system with in 1985."

Mr Dengate Thrush is currently chairman of Top Level Domains Holdings, a company developing registry services for top level domains.

At a cost of $185,000 (£120,000) just to apply, obtaining one of the new names is a serious financial commitment.

"Probably you are closer to half a million dollars to get it off the ground," said Jonathan Robinson, a non-executive director of Afilias, a registry operator which manages extensions like .mobi and .info.

The cost has lead to concern among some non-profit organisations that they will have to spend considerable sums defending themselves from cyber squatters.

Last month, the Reuters agency reported that the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund and 26 other international organisations wrote to Icann asking it to protect suffixes like .imf from cyber squatters.

Deadline approaching

In spite of the cost there has been significant interest in applying for the new general top-level domains before the deadline for applications closes in April, according to companies advising on registrations.

"We're already working on over 100 applications - we're expecting that to increase," said Stuart Durham of Melbourne IT DBS.

He said around 25% of those had been "from Fortune 500 companies", with the majority of interest from the retail and financial services sectors.

As well as brand names, Mr Durham said there is likely to be a lively interest in place names.

"A lot of the geographic extensions that are being discussed like .london or .nyc will have a very good solid business case," he said.

"We've recently had extensions like .cat for the Catalan community that's done very well as well."

However, Mr Dengate Thrush worried this could lead to some conflict issues with places like Wellington, capital of his native country New Zealand, which shares its name with other places around the world.

"I think there are about 20 or 30 other cities called Wellington." However, he believed the systems set in place by Icann will ensure these issues can be successfully negotiated.

Cyber squatting

Even those who support the change foresee some issues.

"I would say it's almost certainly a good thing," Afilia's Mr Robinson told the BBC.

However, he says "you open up a whole new second tier of real estate that could be cyber squatted".

But Mr Durham thinks that there's very little that could be done to eradicate malicious squatters and others seeking to exploit the system.

"Cockroaches would survive a nuclear attack," he said.

"Some cyber squatters and infringers would too."

Source: BBC
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lol
"Cockroaches would survive a nuclear attack," he said.

"Some cyber squatters and infringers would too."

that's not subjectivity or anything....I wonder if he did the testing himself to determine that a subject who is a 'squatter' can in fact absorb more rads of radiation yet still retain a lower absorbed dose...there must be super-biological squatters amongst us. :ROFLMAO:


I agree in protecting a brand name but to use crafted speech to juxtaposition people and cockroaches to effect a comparison indirectly which is based on no scientific fact is a little below the belt for a professional to put out there like that as a comment.

Well...we will see what comes of this change in the system at any rate...that is one fact.
 
Another advantage would be whitelisting. You're not on my TLD ? Your email is not getting through or your http connections' been blackholed.
 
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