If nulled sites illegal why didnt XF shut them down? How is it possible that nulled sites are up for years?

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frm said:
I'm surprised people still ask this question as if they need someone to tell them what is right and wrong.

People these days need better parenting and/or to be a better parent to instill that stealing is wrong and being friends with thieves is wrong and it'll only take you down a bad path that can cost you dearly if caught; and in the end, everyone is caught whether they think they won't ever be or not.
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What I dont get is how is it possible that even on Facebook there's no measure against nulled sites.
Even on Facebook.

Hosting a site in China or whatever 3rd word country is something else, but these sites actually ask for money to participate in them and they are active even on FB. Wtf
 
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Ozzy47 said:
oh my god wow GIF
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Dragonfruit said:
The additional thing is because it's nulled, you're putting yourself & the community you're building at risk. What if the code's tampered with so there's a hidden back door, so they can steal everyone's credentials & etc?

Really not worth the hassle.
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That wasnt even the question...
Im not even considering nulled, I asked how it is allowed even on social media where they shoot down anything slightly imapporopate in minutes.
 
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NandorHUN said:
social media where they shoot down anything slightly imapporopate in minutes.
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Huh? What social media is this? Surely not Facebook where it took advertiser pressure to get them to act on blatant racism and election disinformation. Allowing discussion of software piracy probably doesn't even register with them unless there's a complaint from an advertiser.
 
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Ozzy47 said:
XenForo has no control over what Facebook or any other social media sites do.
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I think you're avoiding the real question here.. I believe he's asking why Nulled websites, aside from Facebook or Facebook groups, are still running to this day and why XenForo hasn't done anything about them. Upon Googling "Nulled XenForo", I came across these sites...:

... and many more that provide nulled XenForo software. Why hasn't XenForo tried to take these sites down, legally? Did they try contact the host provider? Are they willing to go to court to take these sites down that illegally host their software and distribute them across the net?

It's a good question in my opinion but the generic answer is to expected in these cases.
 
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More likely than not it '....doesn't go against their Community Standards' which is the usual line the bots feedback.

I nailed a scammer's account recently after he tried to scam me with a fake profile. Reported it to FB, guess what....
'....doesn't go against their Community Standards'
 
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As a kid growing up in the 90s, which was the heyday for piracy just as the crackdowns were beginning... there is something we quickly learned:

People who pirate, are NOT lost income. People who pirate were generally not going to give you money in the first place. So it's not worth the effort to go after them and try to shut them down. You'll be spending money to fight against something that doesn't really cost you money in the first place. And it's a losing battle either way..

HOWEVER, people who pirate, may eventually become paying customers if they appreciate your product enough. I know many, who use piracy as a "try it before you buy it" kind of model. Hell, I do it with retro video games. I'll play a ROM of something, then decide I have to have a physical copy and go out and find it.
 
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I'm a lawyer, specialized in civil rights, digital rights, copyright, compliance and all this kinds of stuff.

Here in Brazil for example, piracy is not forbidden for personal use, you can't just use for making profit for example, in very rare cases piracy can put you in jail. But our country is a juridic mess, so, is just an example. You can download anything, movies, music, software, games, etc., just for PERSONAL USE.

My country is most dominated by left wing ideology and they are things called 'social responsibility' around here that 'justify' this kind of attack against private propriety. In some way, yeah, is not much 'humanitarian' to ban a very poor people from movie theaters because he don't have even a minimum monthly wage to buy a fyckng ticket to see a Marvel movie.

But of course, the 'social responsibility' is used by the most evil and corrupt politics and people around here to justify everything against private property, so, potato, potatoes...

On the other side, if you have a small, medium business and get caught using pirated software, well, you are going to have a big trouble.

Now about the legal work to take this kinds of websites down: the juridic costs are outrageous, specially if this kinds of websites are hosted in others countries, the juridic costs, honorariums, attorney fees would be even bigger for international causes. Even if their are based on UK would be very expensive.

The math is simple: XF make X profit year. To take one or more site down would cost 3X.

Ok, let's take this site down. XF will pay me my fees and juridic costs. The battle is going to endure for at least one year, if we can even find the guys who did, niiiiice, we got the owners, we got the site down and after that? At least 2 other sites are going to show up offering the same things. Is a lost cause guys.

I quote the example of Microsoft and their products: They don't care if you use their pirate softwares for personal use. But if you are a company, a enterprise, making money using their 'nulled' products, well, prepare yourself for a very big legal trouble with outrageous bills and millionaire fees. I've seen even big companies put out of business by Microsoft when they discovered that all the software used by this company was illegal.
 
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Jaxel said:
People who pirate, are NOT lost income. People who pirate were generally not going to give you money in the first place. So it's not worth the effort to go after them and try to shut them down. You'll be spending money to fight against something that doesn't really cost you money in the first place. And it's a losing battle either way..

HOWEVER, people who pirate, may eventually become paying customers if they appreciate your product enough. I know many, who use piracy as a "try it before you buy it" kind of model. Hell, I do it with retro video games. I'll play a ROM of something, then decide I have to have a physical copy and go out and find it.
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Exactly. Very good point.

You can use as example the famous tv show Game Of Thrones: the producers called about this and they even think that the show was a success because of piracy.
 
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There are hosts who don't care DMCA and allow to host anything other than child porn. So how many times xF complain they don't care.
Facebook can't take down links just because its coming from a nulled xenforo. So nothing happen to them.

And if those forums become popular and needed better hosting or addon development, they will eventually buy xenforo.
So its not like going after music/movie piracy. MS Windows/Office got popular in the 3rd world just because of the piracy.
 
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While I could never support pirated copies of the board or mods I will say that the process of getting mods here is different and a lot more cumbersome. Most decent mods are paid and I get they deserve something for it but it also comes with the added effort of registering at sites you'll likely never visit again.

I'm not sure if it's because Xenforo has created the "resources" system that they also sell but the process itself lacks any sort of unification other than license validation. This is the first board software I've ever used with this model, downloads are tracked but actual installations are not, and I suspect that's because anyone who charges takes orders through their own sites. In the end, downloading a quality mod here has several hurdles and can be prohibitive.
 
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TheGroove said:
While I could never support pirated copies of the board or mods I will say that the process of getting mods here is different and a lot more cumbersome. Most decent mods are paid and I get they deserve something for it but it also comes with the added effort of registering at sites you'll likely never visit again.

I'm not sure if it's because Xenforo has created the "resources" system that they also sell but the process itself lacks any sort of unification other than license validation. This is the first board software I've ever used with this model, downloads are tracked but actual installations are not, and I suspect that's because anyone who charges takes orders through their own sites. In the end, downloading a quality mod here has several hurdles and can be prohibitive.
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Even if XF did a marketplace, I would likely manage purchases and installs through my own site as I use to. The reason for this is because I then have full control, and full ability manage and support products the way I want to, without having to deal with whatever hoops the Marketplace requires.

A Marketplace won't prevent piracy either; the sad reality is that most pirate communities are run by those who have legitimate licenses for everything that gets released.

Honestly, it at most takes 5 minutes to register, purchase a product, and validate your product. You also are usually going to get better support or visibility on suggestions on the developers site than you are on XF, because it is a nightmare to keep track of things in a single XF thread or conversations.
 
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I remember a text book I wrote that was selling at around £30 a copy. It got pirated and I got mad. But someone cleverer than me, told me there was nothing I could really do, and the tosspot that steals the book was never going to buy it anyway so there is no loss, so relax.

Then a few months later when looking at the sales graph I saw a significant uptick for physical copies right about the time the eBook was pirated. The thieving toerag did me a favour.
 
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JamesBrown said:
I remember a text book I wrote that was selling at around £30 a copy. It got pirated and I got mad. But someone cleverer than me, told me there was nothing I could really do, and the tosspot that steals the book was never going to buy it anyway so there is no loss, so relax.

Then a few months later when looking at the sales graph I saw a significant uptick for physical copies right about the time the eBook was pirated. The thieving toerag did me a favour.
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That doesn't always happen with XF, though there was a guy who pirated one of my old styles who then bought a proper license, and then paid me to do like 4 custom styles.
 
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Max Taxable said:
For FREE addons that is true. For PAID addons you register at the developer's site for licensing. For PIRATED addons you register at the thief's site and hope nothing is adulterated, hope nothing is altered, and put your trust in a thief rather than the devs.
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You're just making my point. On this site there is no tracking of installations, everything is ported out to the developers site and as a result makes it far more of an effort. Most of us here do the right thing I'm sure but they don't exactly incentivize site owners to use their system when it's far easier to pirate, it's also much more of a corporate feel than community.
 
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