Gun control

[EQnoble]

This man has a perspective we all should listen to...he has earned the right to speak it.

From above link....

Guess our national leaders didn’t expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:
“Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
“The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain’s heart.
“In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA – because I don’t believe that they are responsible for my daughter’s death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel’s murder I would be their strongest opponent
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy — it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.
Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You’ve stripped away our heritage,
You’ve outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,

 

[masterchief]

my brother is prison guard .. he has EVERYTHING

 

[masterchief]

Its definitely interesting to see the European's thoughts on this. Very different than here in Texas. I am a gun owner and I would say 90% of my friends are too. I personally own a shotgun for hunting but many of my friends own at least 5 firearms for various purposes. Its a normal, non extreme thing here. People just have guns and it isn't a big deal at all. I've never seen anyone use a gun outside of hunting or at a shooting range or at a ranch. The cultural differences are very apparent. I think you imagine it as the wild west where everyone is carrying their pistols in holsters everywhere they go and it just isn't the case.

I was returning to Chicago after visiting with my father who lioved in Austin, TX. I stopped at McDonalds to stretch and get a bite to eat. Sign on the door.. 'No shoes no shirt NO SERVICE. Please leave your gun in your car.'

When Kennedy was killed in Dallas , that Italian infantry rifle was available at every Army/Navy Surplus store in the Dallas/Ft Worth area.

 

[TNCclubman]

If the right to bear arms is in order to protect us from a future guberment that tries to enslave the people, may I ask what the hell your guns or machine guns are going to do to stop drones and tanks?

 

[Digital Doctor]

If the right to bear arms is in order to protect us from a future guberment that tries to enslave the people, may I ask what the hell your guns or machine guns are going to do to stop drones and tanks?

or napalm
or anthrax
or ricin gas
or a nuke

 

[Brad L]

I don't believe that the people asking how a firearm can protect your freedom are sincere, so I'm not going to entertain them.

I've decided to buy my first gun tomorrow for home protection because of the anti-gun rhetoric. It's something I've been thinking about for a couple years and because of the threat of losing that right I'm going to buy now.

 

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[Digital Doctor]

That's one big black ugly mark on America !

 

[Aarmin]

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That's one big black ugly mark on America !

You should be clear that graph leaves out countries with higher homicides and lower gun ownership than the US.

 

[Mike Edge]

No guns, no dead kids in Newtown. It is that simple.

How many kids a year die from a drunk driver? How many convicted drunk drivers are repeat offenders? Maybe we need to ban alcohol instead of firearms.

 

[Slavik]

I don't believe that the people asking how a firearm can protect your freedom are sincere, so I'm not going to entertain them.

I've decided to buy my first gun tomorrow for home protection because of the anti-gun rhetoric. It's something I've been thinking about for a couple years and because of the threat of losing that right I'm going to buy now.

Actually my request for an answer to this is entirely genuine. EQNoble tried to state that restricting guns would remove a part of his existance and upbringing, but still did not explain how it protects his freedoms.

If I cloned you, and gave 1 of you a gun, and one of you not. What would be the difference? Are you saying the one with a gun would be more "free" than the one without?

 

[whynot]

Actually my request for an answer to this is entirely genuine. EQNoble tried to state that restricting guns would remove a part of his existance and upbringing, but still did not explain how it protects his freedoms.

If I cloned you, and gave 1 of you a gun, and one of you not. What would be the difference? Are you saying the one with a gun would be more "free" than the one without?

If I were a criminal wanting to get their money I would kill the one with the gun.(Self defence)
Then I would ask the other: Money or life.
He would have a 50 percent chance to stay alive.

 

[Kim]

Sorry to butt in again, but this just amused me, in a sad ironic way that is ...

 

[BGL]

Exactly....the arguments against guns are coming from people who have never owned one and I am guessing never fired one.

Which would be:

A: Totally irrelevant. No more than only alcoholics get to talk about drunk driving laws. Everyone in democracy gets to vote on clear and present dangers to society such as guns.
B: Totally wrong.

 

[jasetaro]

Actually my request for an answer to this is entirely genuine. EQNoble tried to state that restricting guns would remove a part of his existance and upbringing, but still did not explain how it protects his freedoms.

If I cloned you, and gave 1 of you a gun, and one of you not. What would be the difference? Are you saying the one with a gun would be more "free" than the one without?

I'll take swing at this... our founding father believed that we are all born with certain natural -- God given, if you will, rights and that governments are instituted among men and derive their power from the consent of the governed. They also believed that should a government become corrupt or tyrannical that the people had the right to abolish it and create a new one.

From our Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

I drafting our Constitution they attempted to create a government with a specific, limited set of powers, that first and foremost would preserve, protect and defend those natural rights... and they specifically included language in the Bill or Rights (the first ten amendment to the Constitution) to ensure the government did not infringe on those rights.

The right life is the most basic of all human rights, and right to defend ourselves and our families defend ourselves from those who would attempt to deprive us of our lives is probably second most basic human right.

If denying him or restricting his right to own a firearm, reduces his ability to protect himself and his family from those who would do him harm then, yes, his freedom is reduced.

 

[BGL]

. The right life is the most basic of all human rights, and right to defend ourselves and our families defend ourselves from those who would attempt to deprive us of our lives is probably second most basic human right.

And that is what American's are doing, defending ourselves from the out of control murdering gun nuts who kill 30,000 people a year and injure another 100,000.

The other developed nations have shown us the way on how to effectively defend ourselves from guns with many successful programs in all the developed nations.

 

[Reeve of Shinra]

If the right to bear arms is in order to protect us from a future guberment that tries to enslave the people, may I ask what the hell your guns or machine guns are going to do to stop drones and tanks?

I suggest you read up on history, PLENTY of stories about armies that went up against better armed forces on the home ground and won. If you need something more current, look at our efforts overseas. 100k troups, 10 years, two wars, billions spent.

 

[Reeve of Shinra]

The other developed nations have shown us the way on how to effectively defend ourselves from guns with many successful programs in all the developed nations.

Those other nations have a very very very very different social and economic demographic. Poorer cities / neighborhoods in the US like Newark have a drastically higher rate of violent crime (and hand gun related murders) than say Austin, TX (where there are more guns) or NYC (where there are very strict gun laws).

You are mistakenly painting an entire country with one color brush.

 

[BGL]

Those other nations have a very very very very different social and economic demographic.

Actually UK, Germany, Canada, Australia have very, very, very similar social and economic demographics.

 

[Reeve of Shinra]

Listed below are the percentage of murders (all, not just gun related) by population.
Several of these cities have very strict gun laws in place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate