Gun control

[Fred Sherman]

That's your opinion, but it is factually wrong. A few teachers can throw a desk or a chair at a knife wielding person.

From an engineering perspective, that's a foolish assumption. You know and I know that the percentage chances of him causing more than a few deaths with a knife are just about 0. On the other hand, given his weapontry, it's a no brainer.

You are obviously welcome to your own opinions - but not your own "facts". I think you make the problem harder to solve when you state such ridiculous equivalents.

I apologize in advance for what I'm about to post. It will be disturbing....

I have a friend in the FBI, so I know a little more about this incident than might have been reported so far. Time of execution was not an issue here. The police response was slow. Those children were not merely shot. They were executed. Some were shot at point blank range as many as 10 times. He was vicious.

The way the school evacuated, probably saved lives, but it also sacrificed this class. Each teacher evacuated their own class. There was no confrontation of the gunman or any defensive response. He could have carried out his acts to the same degree of deadly violence with a machete.

 

[jasetaro]

No. Automatic weapons are prohibited from personal ownership.

Not quite, you might want to read up on the National Firearms Act: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#nfa-firearms

 

[Fred Sherman]

Those commissioned reports by the American NRA have been widely debunked as misleading and false.




I for one am very glad I live in a nation with strong Gun Control, I do not know ANYONE who thinks guns should be more widely available here, the very tiny minority who do want more guns, are people for whom I would have serious doubts as to their levels of mental health, and thus who I would not want having guns at all.

One of my brothers school friends was murdered with a semi-automatic weapon along with 3 other girls in a house near ours.. by some deranged stalker of one of the girls... truly shocking, and indicative of why such weapons should NEVER be in the hands of individuals.

Leave Australia out of this, the overwhelming majority of us look at the gun situation in the USA and are frankly appalled and disgusted.

A deranged stalker trying to harm one of my daughters will have a decidedly different outcome. Seems like your gun control laws didn't stop the criminal, but did not allow for self-defense.

 

[BGL]

Try walking through my door with your bolt cutters. Do you think anyone is going to bet on you walking out with my weapon?

You sound just like Mrs. Lanza. We see how that ended.

 

[Fred Sherman]

There is nothing in the world that "the nutters" (those who think no limits of any type are warranted) can do to convince me and tens of millions of Americans that they are right. So let's get down to it and rumble....in the American fashion of representative democracy. I'll do my thing and you do yours and we'll see where the chips fall.

Is that OK with my fellow Americans?

Fine by me. You have zero chance of repealing the Second Amendment.

 

[Fred Sherman]

You sound just like Mrs. Lanza. We see how that ended.

No similarity at all. No one but me can fire my weapons. You made a rather simple claim to the contrary and I reminded you that the task might be more difficult than you may have thought.

 

[Carlos]

The gun killings happen because they have guns. Minus the guns, no mass killings. It's simple. Eliminate the guns. It works in every other developed nation, it will work here.

That doesn't change anything. Just like EQnoble said....

If you believe it to be that cut and dry than you are part of the problem.

What you don't understand, EGL, is that there are millions of different kinds of weapons people can use to kill each other. For example, the most simple of weapons can be used to kill someone in PRISON... A #@^&ING PRISON! Where, there's no guns. At all.

If you watch Burn Notice (even if there isn't much killing by the good guy, the protagonist), Sons of Anarchy, Gangland, Jail (yes, that's a name of a show), Dexter, and other methodical killing shows... You'd know this by now.

The only reason why this guy used an military assault weapon, is to create a stir with the media. This 20 yr old kid killed his mom at home, and drove her car, all the way from home, to this particular school. Once again, I think this elementary school is his former school. The source of his "bullied days" or "bullying days" when you either were shrouded in obscurity, or popularity because of that particular situation.

What I read is even more disturbing: The guy had buckets of magazines (stacks of bullets), to carry out a much larger scale mass killing.

 

[BGL]

No similarity at all.

She had houseful of guns. Intruder kills her, an acquaintance or family member which is typical, and steals all the guns using them to kill.

 

[Digital Doctor]

responsible gun owners

oxymoron

 

[BGL]

What you don't understand, EGL, is that there are millions of different kinds of weapons people can use to kill each other.

Guns being the most effective killing weapon which is why they cause 30,000 preventable deaths in the US as demonstrated by the successful gun regulations in other developed nations.

 

[Kim]

A deranged stalker trying to harm one of my daughters will have a decidedly different outcome. Seems like your gun control laws didn't stop the criminal, but did not allow for self-defense.

Don't comment on things you have no idea about Fred. Ours is not a gun totin country like yours... we do not have guns in homes, it is very rare indeed. We do not need guns to protect ourselves, one off crazed events aside.

In this case they were 4 teenage girls on their own who opened the door to a crazed mad man who was vaguely known to one of them, he then burst in and shot them all within a few seconds/minute.

No Gun slinging hero could have stopped it.. horrible to think about, but if it happened at your house, your daughter opened the door, and BANG she's gone, he's in your house, after the rest of the family - by the time you located your gun, and de activated the lock, and loaded it, and then sought out the killer, it would be all over.

He was caught within hours of course.. what a stupid senseless waste of life.

It might make you feel more secure to think your gun can protect you.. but it can't.

Do not use what I said to back up your crazed beliefs.

 

[Carlos]

Guns being the most effective killing weapon which is why they cause 30,000 preventable deaths in the US as demonstrated by the successful gun regulations in other developed nations.

It's accessible, but there are still millions of ways to kill. You can't really stop killings. You can only stop the mental people from carrying out such mass killings. Removing guns will just push the person to make even more organized kills.

I bet you 5 bucks, a trained Marine can kill you or your family in less than 5 minutes. And the worst part is, he doesn't need a #@^&ing gun!

if it happened at your house, your daughter opened the door, and BANG she's gone, he's in your house, after the rest of the family - by the time you located your gun, and de activated the lock, and loaded it, and then sought out the killer, it would be all over.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

 

[Aarmin]

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It might make you feel more secure to think your gun can protect you.. but it can't.

Tell me and my grandma that.

 

[Kim]

Tell me and my grandma that.

Perhaps if you didn't live in a society with more guns than people you might not have a story to tell

 

[Aarmin]

Perhaps if you didn't live in a society with more guns than people you might not have a story to tell

The killer only used a knife

 

[BGL]

Tell me and my grandma that.

Facts of gun ownership tell you that as 95% of gun death and injury are of the gun owner and his family and acquaintances. Best thing to do to protect your family is get the guns out of the house.

We heard this wacky argument vs. seat belts. People would say they didn't want to wear them or they would be trapped in the car and burn to death. In that case it was 99.99% wrong.

In the case of guns, since it is a threat to everyone, not just personal safety and health care costs in the case of seat belts, we have a civic responsibility to protect people from the clear and present danger of guns.

 

[EQnoble]

is that a broken record....

 

[Carlos]

Facts of gun ownership tell you that as 95% of gun death and injury are of the gun owner and his family and acquaintances. Best thing to do to protect your family is get the guns out of the house.

Dude... Where are you reading this? This is stupid. Just because you own a gun doesn't make it so easy to have gun death. Being educated about family's weapons is far more safe than not.

The only times gun ownership resulted in a death is when someone else handles the weapon the wrong way. For example, a kid was killed just because the gun owner didn't know there was a bullet in the chamber... It discharged on the kid by accident. Another story is when this gangster bought his first machine gun, and was playing with it while being "high," the gun discharged on his best friend.

A Navy, Army, or Marine will always tell you to: Assume that there's a bullet in chamber. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS.

People would say they didn't want to wear them or they would be trapped in the car and burn to death. In that case it was 99.99% wrong.

This anology is not the same thing!

 

[Kim]

The killer only used a knife

Not quite sure what your point is. The killer only used a knife, so ergo, we need more guns to protect from crazed maniacs with knives?

Sorry to say, but that makes no logical sense at all.

You have knives at home I presume? For Cooking purposes if not any other? Ergo in your thinking every single person would need to be armed to the eyeballs to protect themselves from everyday items constantly.

I know your Grandma went through a traumatic time with that situation, and I don't mean to make light of what was obviously a horrible experience for her, for you all. I have no idea how frequent such events are in your part of the world, but I am sure that more guns is not the answer.

I really think you USA citizens just cannot see the forest for the trees.

But it is not my country, nor my argument.

I just posted to refute firstly Dutch BB's assertions, then Fred twisting my post to fit his warped world view.

Have at it USA folks.. just leave Australia out of it, we want no part of your Gun Loving Madness.

 

[Fred Sherman]

Perhaps if you didn't live in a society with more guns than people you might not have a story to tell

Don't comment on things you have no idea about Fred. Ours is not a gun totin country like yours... we do not have guns in homes, it is very rare indeed. We do not need guns to protect ourselves, one off crazed events aside.

In this case they were 4 teenage girls on their own who opened the door to a crazed mad man who was vaguely known to one of them, he then burst in and shot them all within a few seconds/minute.

No Gun slinging hero could have stopped it.. horrible to think about, but if it happened at your house, your daughter opened the door, and BANG she's gone, he's in your house, after the rest of the family - by the time you located your gun, and de activated the lock, and loaded it, and then sought out the killer, it would be all over.

He was caught within hours of course.. what a stupid senseless waste of life.

It might make you feel more secure to think your gun can protect you.. but it can't.

Do not use what I said to back up your crazed beliefs.

Or if they had them, you might have a different story to tell. Yours proves gun control doesn't stop criminals from using them. His proves that gun ownership can protect you from criminals. As someone else said earlier, if only one life is saved, its worth it.