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Comparing the speed of Xenforo to the big 4

Discussion in 'General XenForo Discussion and Feedback' started by Hornstar, Sep 21, 2011.

  1. Hornstar

    Hornstar Well-Known Member

  2. Digital Doctor

    Digital Doctor Well-Known Member

    I dont't think that would be a valid extrapolation to how fast phpBB3 is compared to xenforo.
    Pearl: Look at the Notice on xenforo.com: it says Welcome to XenFans.com !
  3. Trombones13

    Trombones13 Well-Known Member

    No, it doesn't, though strangely enough, I misread it as that at first as well--open this forum in a different/incognito browser and you'll see the notice says XenForo.com.
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  4. AlexT

    AlexT Well-Known Member

  5. AlexT

    AlexT Well-Known Member

  6. CyclingTribe

    CyclingTribe Well-Known Member

    A proper test would be to use the same data set on all four packages on the same hardware.

    Even then, the server itself can be tweaked and optimised to suit the specific package you are using as all four packages will behave differently, cache differently, use different numbers of files, and have different lengths/numbers/frequency of queries.

    Shaun :D
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  7. CyclingTribe

    CyclingTribe Well-Known Member

    A point in case was my move from vB3.8.4 to IPB3.1

    I made no changes to the server and after migration everything ran much, much slower (up to 7 seconds page loads at times!!) and after coming from a very fast and efficient vB3 install, this was a nightmare.

    However, over the coming months I found that by removing one particular plugin it shaved 3 seconds from the page load time, I tweaked MySQL to make it more efficient (for the IPB setup I now had), I added more memory to the server, I added an Opcode cache, I tweak memcached, I changed some settings within IPB itself to remove more complex queries that didn't add much to the overall experience for users, I used my second domain to setup a self-CDN for static content, I moved some of the Java tags further down the HTML of the templates, I modified Apache to use expires headers for some static content, etc. etc.

    A constant shaving of milliseconds here and there which resulted in a very fast board that made me and my members much happier. (Second and subsequent page loads are much quicker too - the above test doesn't take that into account!! ;) ).

    Shaun :D
  8. Xarcell

    Xarcell Well-Known Member

    I think a more valid test would be to put all softwares on the same hardware/location. Perhaps someone here with dedicated server and access to all four softwares can make a fresh install of each, then test. If possible, make a script that adds the same 1mil posts and 10k members to the db on each software and test again. Although, all that may just be too much work to be worth the test.

    From my personal experience xF is by far faster, especially with more posts & members.

    EDIT: I also think more software should be added to the test. Such as vanilla and SMF.
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  9. MGSteve

    MGSteve Well-Known Member

    Complete tosh I'm afraid. As Alex said, far too many variables to directly compare.

    If they were all running off the same server with the same dataset, then fine. Otherwise, its pointless and worse, misleading.

    For example, I suspect that server is in the US, hence why XenForo is slow compared to the others who are based in the US as the XF server is UK based.
  10. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    No it isn't, it's in the US.
  11. kkm323

    kkm323 Well-Known Member

    I am really impress how fast is IPS but that doesn't mean XF is slow at least is faster than vb :)
  12. Marc

    Marc Well-Known Member

    This is excellent. Please could you do a test of the Apples I have here against my Oranges to see which taste more like a Pear ... Cheers for your help

  13. Marcus

    Marcus Well-Known Member

    vbulletin is on SSL that slows down the page view. xenforo should be much faster - I bet the team is working on it.
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  14. Rigel Kentaurus

    Rigel Kentaurus Well-Known Member

    If you had to do all of that, it sounds horrible
    I'd rather have a solution that works well out of the box, having to spend that much team tweaking the solution is good for a hobby or weekend project if you are a programmer, not too much if you are actually trying to build a community
  15. CyclingTribe

    CyclingTribe Well-Known Member

    Much as it was quite a bit of work - what I learned from doing all of that has been really helpful, and has allowed me to get more out of my server than I previously was.

    Granted, it would have been good if it had been a like-for-like shoe-in, but IPB with all the bells and whistles is an altogether different beast to a basic vB3.8.4 install ... (y)

    The plus side is that once we're on XF it should really rock!! :)

    Shaun :D
  16. Trekkan

    Trekkan Well-Known Member

    I think that type of troubleshooting/optimization goes for anything, such as your OS. Yeah, things might slow down after a while, figure it out, clean it up, disable the crap, etc. The reason most things work out of the box is that depending on the product either everything is on (for maximum compatibility) or everything is off (to limit functionality and increase compatibility due to a more complex nature of an application).

    Either way, it requires someone to go through it and improve it for the individual needs. So as "horrible" as it sounds, it's not uncommon at all, for pretty much any piece of software.
  17. MGSteve

    MGSteve Well-Known Member

    Odd, I thought I read it was UK based? Mind you on this BT Infinity most sites are bloody fast anyway, its hard to tell sometimes what's 'local' and what's not.
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  18. DeltaHF

    DeltaHF Well-Known Member

    The company is based in the UK, the server that runs this website is located in Texas, according to a lookup of the IP address. It's most likely on a dedicated server with SoftLayer.
  19. AlexT

    AlexT Well-Known Member

  20. Mikey

    Mikey Well-Known Member

    Texas is where my server is located as well, pings from there to xenforo.com are extremely fast, for exactly the reasons Alex made early on in the thread.

    Fact is, as long as these comparison websites are around, people will do tests.. It's silly, really. These results mean nothing, as has been rehashed in this thread - to be a fair test (as we were all taught in science) the SITUATION has to be the same, with ONE variable (the software).. in these tests it is not so.

    It's essentially like me linking you guys this chart as if to prove how great PHPBB is. Ridiculous really.

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