Combating Like abuse

I am just thinking out loud here.. I don't know how feasible this is but here goes..

How about a usergroup option "Likes count". Users in this group can like posts etc freely however their likes don't add to other users like counter. This can be useful if you set up ranks. For example users with posts 0-50 have there likes count option set to off, once you are promoted to the next usergroup, your likes start to count like normal.

Obviously this option also means if a user starts to abuse his likes later on he can be moved to a "like count disabled" group where he can continue abuse the like but getting nothing out of it...maybe a bit of excitment at first and a rush from knowing he is annoying members but that is all.

Again, I have no idea what the hit on performance of a feature like this is but I'll leave it out there :).
 
---MAD--- said:
I am just thinking out loud here.. I don't know how feasible this is but here goes..

How about a usergroup option "Likes count". Users in this group can like posts etc freely however their likes don't add to other users like counter. This can be useful if you set up ranks. For example users with posts 0-50 have there likes count option set to off, once you are promoted to the next usergroup, your likes start to count like normal.

Obviously this option also means if a user starts to abuse his likes later on he can be moved to a "like count disabled" group where he can continue abuse the like but getting nothing out of it...maybe a bit of excitment at first and a rush from knowing he is annoying members but that is all.

Again, I have no idea what the hit on performance of a feature like this is but I'll leave it out there :).
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That might work, although you would still have to show "Eriksrocks likes this" beneath the post so the user isn't confused, and then you would still see "Eriksrocks likes this" on a ton of posts (assuming the system is being abused), which would still be quite annoying even though they aren't counting. :)
 
Eriksrocks said:
That might work, although you would still have to show "Eriksrocks likes this" beneath the post so the user isn't confused, and then you would still see "Eriksrocks likes this" on a ton of posts (assuming the system is being abused), which would still be quite annoying even though they aren't counting. :)
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I guess another option "Hide user likes" could be added to combat that, where the users like are not shown at all to other users.
 
---MAD--- said:
I guess another option "Hide user likes" could be added to combat that, where the users like are not shown at all to other users.
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And then you get into issues like with Tachy goes to Coventry. I'm not sure whether I like the idea or not. I'm not saying you're coming up with bad ideas. Honestly, I don't know the solution myself. :)
 
Is there a problem?

Seriously, for most general sites, will this be a real problem that time should be taken away from doing other things for the first version of xf?
 
Abomination said:
Is there a problem?

Seriously, for most general sites, will this be a real problem that time should be taken away from doing other things for the first version of xf?
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In most cases there won't be, but I'm worried about the situation where this does happen and all of a sudden two users each have over 1000 likes, they appear in the "top users" section when they shouldn't be there, and there is nothing you can do about it apart from banning the users, which wouldn't really be warranted IMO. :)
 
Eriksrocks said:
In most cases there won't be, but I'm worried about the situation where this does happen and all of a sudden two users each have over 1000 likes, they appear in the "top users" section when they shouldn't be there, and there is nothing you can do about it apart from banning the users, which wouldn't really be warranted IMO. :)
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It is a really simple easy to understand system. I see absolutely no need to make it complicated for the situations you are describing. There will always be people doing things in the extremes - too many silly posts, too many unwelcome comments. Many times a few people can complicate the lives of the admins. That is part of the job. No need to make the the system more complicated than it needs to be for normal users/situations.
 
Abomination said:
It is a really simple easy to understand system. I see absolutely no need to make it complicated for the situations you are describing. There will always be people doing things in the extremes - too many silly posts, too many unwelcome comments. Many times a few people can complicate the lives of the admins. That is part of the job. No need to make the the system more complicated than it needs to be for normal users/situations.
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How would this be making the system more complicated? All I'm asking is for a tool to clean up the like count in case abuse does happen. Any sort of thing they would develop would be for the admins only and wouldn't complicate anything for the users at all. :)
 
Posts with things like "+1", "This", etc. can be cut by a character minimum of about 25 set at admin level (I presume XF has this)

AndyB said:
I'm thinking that each post would have a counter that indicates how many members Liked the post. Perhaps if you click on the Like counter (this is just a number) it could show who actually Liked the post. Great idea EQnoble.
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Oh no I love seeing the names of who likes - often that adds to the character of the post - I will take it even more seriously/ less so according to whether people I respect Like it.

If someone tries to Like another user's posts in a systematic way they'd Search on that user's posts. Or Follow them. Anyway they'd get a list of the users posts. Then they'd click through and Like each one.
I'm sure there could be sometghing at admin level that could catch Likes going to the same person so fast.
Thinking of certain members here who I often give Likes to I doubt that would arise more than 3 - 4 times an hour.
So a restriction could be b ased on that.
 
It's tough issue and can't be resolved by system control.Some manual controls are required if you wanna a better result for like abuse.
 
Combating Like abuse
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One limitation of Likes is that forum "chums" seem to "over like" their buddies.
ie. Everyone piles on the Mike and Kier posts and clicks Like.

I think everyone here is surprised how much fun (and possibly useful) Likes are.
The implementation is excellent.
Likes + Alerts has proved to be quite an interesting Combo.

After xF 1.0 goes "stable", I would think an excellent addon might expand the Like Button.
Lots of people want a "Don't Like" button. This could be helpful in many forums.

Sometimes people might want to "Say More" than "Like": Excellent Idea ... or I agree.
Sometimes people might want to "Say Less" than "Like": Smile ... Haha

It really depends on your community and how much you want to use "Like" as a measure of how a community feels about an issue.
Probably most forums wouldn't take the "Like" too serious.
That being said, I think Xenforo wanted Like to be "important" as you can sort threads by the number of First Post Likes.
 
Brogan said:
One of the reasons for doing that was to be able to gauge the popularity of suggestions.
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I think it's apparent that "First Post Likes" and their importance has not been picked up by the masses.
To increase "First Post Liking" rate to make it a more effective gauge of popularity ... I suggested a few Tweaks.
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Thread on this Topic: here
 
Erik said:
I'm going to set-up a scenario here. A user signs up, makes some posts, is a member on the forum for a while, and then for some reason decides that he needs more likes. So he creates a second account (or contacts his friend to do the job for him) and likes every single one of the first account's posts, so that the user now has 200 or more additional likes.

Two established users could also do the same thing, agreeing to like every post the other user has. All of a sudden both of them have 1000 more likes.

Is there anything implemented to stop this sort of abuse? You could delete the second user (and perhaps give a warning or temporary ban to the first user), but is there anyway to clean-up the like count? Or would you have to go through the database and manually remove every like on every post?

Thanks. :)
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the members at my xf site would see that in the activity feeds and laugh them off the board.
i really dont like the idea of 'weighting' likes and such
 
Brogan said:
One of the reasons for doing that was to be able to gauge the popularity of suggestions.
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I have never liked the system of using Likes to gauge the popularity of a suggestion. There's already a function in place for that: polls. Why not use them? Someone suggests a feature and posts a poll; anyone who likes the feature checks off yes, those who don't check no. And then nobody has to constantly remind people to Like the first post, plus there's a way to tell how many people don't want the suggestion implemented. Right now, a suggestion could get 30 Likes and look like it's popular when for all you know, 300 people think it's the worst thing ever.
 
anotheralias said:
I have never liked the system of using Likes to gauge the popularity of a suggestion. There's already a function in place for that: polls. Why not use them?
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When in a forum, you can easily sort threads according to the first post's like-count. For example, you can quickly see the most liked suggestions here, in order: http://xenforo.com/community/forums/suggestions-tweaks-small-features.18/?order=first_post_likes

This is not possible if you only make use of a poll.
 
---MAD--- said:
How about a usergroup option "Likes count". Users in this group can like posts etc freely however their likes don't add to other users like counter. This can be useful if you set up ranks. For example users with posts 0-50 have there likes count option set to off, once you are promoted to the next usergroup, your likes start to count like normal.
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We did just that on my vB forum.
We had a similar situation where we had a poll for the best photo. Members got their friends to register and vote.
When I found that out I duplicated the registered usergroup. Edited registered not to be allowed to vote and the duplicated the usergroup could vote.
I made a promotion based on 30 days to move from registered to this new voting group.
It worked.
Unfortunately we do not have promotions. Yet.

Or limit the number of likes like you may limit strikes.
 
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