I dont have the time to wait for addons i need, i dont have the knowledge to program everything for myself, and i dont want to give too much time for a project, because i have a lot of and more for a normal life. So i have another idea, if XF dont want or have not enough rescources, lets find some people with money and one or two programmers. Lets talk about every important addon we found with vb, lets produce them, lets sell them for a small money to make a lot of people using them and using xf for shure also. If we have success every investor should have some bucks back, if not we have all the addons we want. But i am really shure that nobody wants to wait for vb5 or use another boardware if we give the world these 20 or 30 perfect made addons. I dont know to start an international business, i dont know enough english to read a good book, but i know enough to be a successful one here in germany. If there is any programer interested in this, while i prefer someone speaking german and living in germany, i could think about some thousands of euros to start a business like i have suggested. If this is possible over frontiers i dont know but i will give it a try also. Just an idea, just a ball, if someone wants to take him and send him back, lets do it - there is no board after vb3 that is a real winner, means the one with a good engine and all needed addons could be the new vb3 and the standard for boards in web.