XenForo Mobile | Android/iOS App

XenForo Mobile | Android/iOS App [Paid] Beta Testing

No permission to buy ($100.00)
I want to see how it looks / runs on a smartphone ... so isn't an Android device needed ?
The Android SDK includes an emulator/VM for testing apps on a PC. My dev team at work use it. I think the SDK is a free download but you have to register or something like that. I forget just now. The manager of that team looks after this stuff, not me.

$100 a month would only make sense if you had good uptake among your membership and only offered to paying members (so you can recoup the cost). For a site with no revenue, it's useless and the PWA gets the job done anyhow.
 
Is your app supports custom add-ons? For example this app does not support any third party add-on. Can we use any add-on on your app?

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To clarify, you can’t simply install a XenForo plugin and have it work in the app. Each plugin needs to be custom coded into the app from scratch. This is definitely possible, but it depends on the specific plugin and the amount of work involved. If you have a particular plugin in mind, I can review it and see if it’s feasible to implement—especially if it’s not a very large or complex plugin.

As I was trying to explain ^ before. Its all not so easy.
 
The Android SDK includes an emulator/VM for testing apps on a PC. My dev team at work use it. I think the SDK is a free download but you have to register or something like that. I forget just now. The manager of that team looks after this stuff, not me.

$100 a month would only make sense if you had good uptake among your membership and only offered to paying members (so you can recoup the cost). For a site with no revenue, it's useless and the PWA gets the job done anyhow.
Instead of an emulator -- just buy a cheap phone for about 50 bucks ;)
 
Is this the same problem previous apps have faced .... each forum's addon needs to be approved individually by the apps stores ?
 
First, it’s important to understand that this isn’t just a simple script you can install and forget. Ongoing maintenance is essential, including custom/initial design updates, security key management, and implementing features based on your requirements. Even compiling the app takes around 30 minutes for each change—and that’s just one part of the process. Because of the complexity and the need for continuous development, you won’t find anything comparable readily available online; it takes months of dedicated work.

From a pricing perspective, launching your project on the Google Play Store or Apple App Store can be a huge advantage—for example especially for larger communities looking to grow or monetize through advertising and so on (In-App Sales and such too).

As mentioned, this app was originally developed for my own use, so everything is based on real-world needs and experience—not just theory.
I get that this app isn't just a simple one-time install and that ongoing development and maintenance are involved—but charging $100 per month is pretty outrageous, especially for forum admins who are already covering hosting, licenses, and other operational costs.

Unless this fee includes hands-on support, regular updates, publishing to app stores, and actual development time tailored to each customer, it’s hard to justify that kind of monthly cost. Most communities simply can’t absorb that, especially when similar tools or PWA solutions exist at a fraction of the price—or even free.

If the goal is to see adoption and support more communities, this pricing model is going to scare off 98% of potential users—myself included.
 
The subscription is $100 per month, which covers all maintenance and ongoing support.

You just eliminated 98% of the people who might have bought this at a reasonable price.

This is the classic mistake.
Overprice and never get any traction.

You want a tier that is much cheaper than that and you want a few higher tiers that offer more features.


what maintenance and support do you think people will need ?

First, I love when devs create dedicated apps, or attempt to. I think it's something missing from XF.

That said, $100/mo is, with the utmost respect, insane.

I get that this app isn't just a simple one-time install and that ongoing development and maintenance are involved—but charging $100 per month is pretty outrageous, especially for forum admins who are already covering hosting, licenses, and other operational costs.

While it would be too expensive for me it seems once more that a lot of people here do not have any understanding of the effort and cost of developing an app like that. It is basically a while-label-solution for a per forum app with unlimited users, native for iOS and Android and including onboading/setup, support and updates and - at it seems - even customizations, at least to a degree. You may like it or not: I consider this rather cheap than expensive, sadly, given the time, effort, cost and headache tied to it.

If you run a small, non-commercial forum as a hobby this is probably out of reach. If you run a huge forum with 10.000s or even 100.000s of active users and you are running it commercially this is rather the bargain of the century (or at least it could be, if it works as promised and as people hope and assume): Wit 50+% of mobile use of forums today a native app is clearly something that can boost active participation in your forums massively. Plus it could even generate an income stream: You could offer the native app as part of a premium account on your forum and with hypothetically 1$/month you covered the app cost involved with just 100 premium users already. Anything above that mark will be additional revenue. In the end it is pretty simple maths to calculate if it may or even safely will work for your forum or not.

For me it would probably not work, but even on my small noncommercial forum with currently ~2.400 users I could imagine there could be enough people willing to pay to cover the cost.

The big questions are:
• will it really work?
• will it work on the vast majority of iOS and Android versions and devices out there?
• which limitations will it have?
• which addons will work and which not? The support of the very complex add on landscape may become a deal-braker for for some potential customers and at the same time a neck-braker for @Mbx ...

Plus the elephant in the room:

• will it be available, supported and developed further in a timely manner "forever"?

We have seen so many attempts in regards of a native app promised but failing and we have seen so many developers step out from their add ons sooner or later.

So there is a trust issue - reasonably. In the beginning and for quite some time. I would not want to offer my users a native app and then have to pull back only after short time. Even less so if I charged them for the app.

Regarding the price: @Mpx could do a pricing depending from the number of installs or the size of the forum. Could help with getting a bigger installation base, if it makes sense for him economically is a different question.

Personally, with a support intensive app like that, I'd rather have 20 customers paying 500$/month than 100 customers paying 100$/month let alone 10.000 customers, paying 1$/month. The more as you probably can assume those with a 1$-bill have often enough completely unrealistic expectations and create nothing but trouble, pain and effort.
 
a lot of people here do not have any understanding of the effort and cost of developing an app like that.
The issue is ... the effort has been put forth multiple times (Themehouse, etc.)
Everyone picks the same path ... pricey smartphone app.

All previous efforts have been largely a failure.
 
The issue is ... the effort has been put forth multiple times (Themehouse, etc.)
Everyone picks the same path ... pricey smartphone app.
Possibly for a reason - what would be the alternatives? Either I do something wrong or the PWA on iOS is basically more or less a bookmarklet that opens within the normal browser of the device.

A native app can offer a better experience but clearly is way way more effort. Still, even within a native app, there are many ways to Rome:
• having native code bases, separate for iOS and Android
• using a shared code base for both via one of the dev-environments for that in the hope to save on development time
• using a shared code base via a more or less simple "builder" with elements, again via one of the dev-environments specialized for that

Then you have to choose if you
• your native app is effectively "just" a frame for a web browser, rendering the forum
• you implement XF functionality natively on mobile
or something in between.

No matter what you choose: native app is a lot off effort, it is fragile, it will typically have limitations (at least in regards of add ons as a minimum), it is expensive, it is hugely complex due to the possible install base und the rules of the various app stores, it needs conitnuous effort - and due to all of that it is expensive and more expensive as people on this forum (that find XF licenses too expensive and any add on that costs more than 10 bucks insane) are typically willing to spend.
All previous efforts have been largely a failure.
Again: For a reason. I can see why - still I think a working native app would be great. As long as I am not the one that has to build and maintain it.
 
maybe @Slavik was right when he didn't bother making a Xenforo app in 2011.

$100/month for a good app is not pricey, but for addon maker with no track record, alot of people willing to try it will pass.

Xenforo 2.4 will likely break the app.

Xenforo 3.0 will break the app.

Future is rocky.
 
While it would be too expensive for me it seems once more that a lot of people here do not have any understanding of the effort and cost of developing an app like that. It is basically a while-label-solution for a per forum app with unlimited users, native for iOS and Android and including onboading/setup, support and updates and - at it seems - even customizations, at least to a degree. You may like it or not: I consider this rather cheap than expensive, sadly, given the time, effort, cost and headache tied to it.
In my opinion, it's quite affordable as well.

If you run a small, non-commercial forum as a hobby this is probably out of reach. If you run a huge forum with 10.000s or even 100.000s of active users and you are running it commercially this is rather the bargain of the century (or at least it could be, if it works as promised and as people hope and assume): Wit 50+% of mobile use of forums today a native app is clearly something that can boost active participation in your forums massively. Plus it could even generate an income stream: You could offer the native app as part of a premium account on your forum and with hypothetically 1$/month you covered the app cost involved with just 100 premium users already. Anything above that mark will be additional revenue. In the end it is pretty simple maths to calculate if it may or even safely will work for your forum or not.
That was the point I was making, too. If you have a larger board, access to the Apple App Store and Google Play Store just for advertising alone would never be a loss; rather, it would be a huge gain.

For me it would probably not work, but even on my small noncommercial forum with currently ~2.400 users I could imagine there could be enough people willing to pay to cover the cost.

The big questions are:
• will it really work?
• will it work on the vast majority of iOS and Android versions and devices out there?
• which limitations will it have?
• which addons will work and which not? The support of the very complex add on landscape may become a deal-braker for for some potential customers and at the same time a neck-braker for @Mbx ...

It works without any issue. Api 21(Android 5.0) and upwards. Android >= 9 is about 96% of the market. Therefore it should be fine.

No real limitations, in regards to the normal usage. Plugins are always a customization.

Plus the elephant in the room:

• will it be available, supported and developed further in a timely manner "forever"?

The app is primary for my own project, and older, fairly large board ;) So lets assume this will last very long.

We have seen so many attempts in regards of a native app promised but failing and we have seen so many developers step out from their add ons sooner or later.

So there is a trust issue - reasonably. In the beginning and for quite some time. I would not want to offer my users a native app and then have to pull back only after short time. Even less so if I charged them for the app.

Regarding the price: @Mpx could do a pricing depending from the number of installs or the size of the forum. Could help with getting a bigger installation base, if it makes sense for him economically is a different question.

Personally, with a support intensive app like that, I'd rather have 20 customers paying 500$/month than 100 customers paying 100$/month let alone 10.000 customers, paying 1$/month. The more as you probably can assume those with a 1$-bill have often enough completely unrealistic expectations and create nothing but trouble, pain and effort.
My suggestion, you check the app out, once its in the Play Store and see for yourself.
 
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maybe @Slavik was right when he didn't bother making a Xenforo app in 2011.

$100/month for a good app is not pricey, but for addon maker with no track record, alot of people willing to try it will pass.

Xenforo 2.4 will likely break the app.

Xenforo 3.0 will break the app.

Future is rocky.
No, this is based on the official XenForo API, so making changes or additions is not much of a problem. I don't think there will be major changes to the API itself; rather, there will be more features.
 
What you mean the PWA dies with attachments? It works perfectly on iPhone.
 
Good luck @Mbx!

Apps don't make sense for many of the communities here, but for the ones who treat them as businesses they do and can greatly increase user engagement and revenue. I helped develop an app for www.reef2reef.com and I am aware of how large a project this is. $100/month is CHEAP!

Any community looking to make an iOS and Android native app will be looking at a minimum of mid 5 figures if they went with a developer/agency on the cheaper side. For something good, that is not just a standard webview wrapper, six figures is much more likely.
 
Oh okay. I never noticed and I use PWA to view this site and others.
 
Good luck @Mbx!

Apps don't make sense for many of the communities here, but for the ones who treat them as businesses they do and can greatly increase user engagement and revenue. I helped develop an app for www.reef2reef.com and I am aware of how large a project this is. $100/month is CHEAP!

Any community looking to make an iOS and Android native app will be looking at a minimum of mid 5 figures if they went with a developer/agency on the cheaper side. For something good, that is not just a standard webview wrapper, six figures is much more likely.
Yeah, most communities aren't businesses, they are hobbies, and many who have no intention of ever buying it will complain about the price too, ignore them. Having developed apps myself both native and webview-based, $100/mo is a steal @Mbx.
 
No, this is based on the official XenForo API, so making changes or additions is not much of a problem. I don't think there will be major changes to the API itself; rather, there will be more features.
well! people think it's easy to build an app. you must specify that app made completely & API based full Application that takes several months,
it's not simple $50 app that works like a browser.
 
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