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Would anyone consider removing post count from their forum?

Discussion in 'Forum Management' started by Brogan, Sep 23, 2010.

  1. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    In line with XenForo's "less is more" approach, I am considering removing the post count from view altogether.

    The post count would still accumulate and members would still get user title changes and trophies, etc., they just wouldn't know when they would be triggered.
    Well, not unless they're sad enough to keep track themselves.

    I just wondered whether this would be an interesting experiment and whether it would remove some of the issues that sometimes arise on forums with regards to members with high/low post counts.

    Would anyone else consider doing this?
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  2. Paul M

    Paul M Well-Known Member

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  3. The Sandman

    The Sandman Well-Known Member

    Members do not like it at all. If I'm a member, I don't like it either.
  4. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    I'm a member and I like it.
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  5. The Sandman

    The Sandman Well-Known Member

    I mean, there were a couple of forums I was active on, in the past as a member, where they got rid of the postcount. I didn't like it. Had you asked me ahead of time, I would have thought it didn't matter. But there I was looking for postcount numbers. Then again, I didn't think I'd care about likes either. :D
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  6. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    I think for an existing forum it might be difficult to remove post count.

    I'd really like to try it with a new forum though.
    After all, Facebook doesn't count messages, likes, etc. and people don't seem to care with that platform.
  7. The Sandman

    The Sandman Well-Known Member

    I think it's too engrained in the collective forum experience to be removed without negative consequence.
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  8. AmericanForum.com

    AmericanForum.com Well-Known Member

    We need it for the contests ... and XF has a good trophy system :)

    (perhaps a remove option via the control panel for those with different needs)
  9. Dean

    Dean Well-Known Member

    I think post count is useful. Even if I wanted to not show it, our competitors show it, so that would be taking things away from the user experience.
  10. Brandon_R

    Brandon_R Guest

    From the postbit yeah. It can remain on the member's card.
  11. Greg

    Greg Active Member

    I've done it before in situations where members were competing too much and judging too much. The only real reason it's back is because people with under 50 post count cannot have an image in their signature.
  12. Anthony Parsons

    Anthony Parsons Well-Known Member

    I did from one... they didn't like it initially, but they lived with it.
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  13. Saeed

    Saeed Well-Known Member

    Nopes. Never.
  14. Mr_Bob

    Mr_Bob Well-Known Member

    I'm keeping it. Aside from a way to show activity, it also provides a bit of encouragement to post more (when coupled with trophy points and group promotions).
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  15. Lawrence

    Lawrence Well-Known Member

    On one of my forums, an issue came up where a couple members with a lot of posts tried to "pull rank" with those who had far fewer posts. And of course arguments broke out. I wrote a script the determined a Post Quality Index. The PQI was displayed directly under their posts counts. It turned out that members with a lot of posts had a much lower PQI, than those with far fewer posts.

    The PQI ranged from 0 to 1.0. The script I wrote analyzed peoples posts and determined the quality of their writing.

    As my forum was a role playing (play-by-post) forum, members found the score beneficial in determining who they invited to take part in a story. A high PQI usually meant a good story, while a low PQI meant that the member who joined would either not stick around or would not contribute to the development of the story line. Over time members stopped looking at post counts, and focused on their PQI.

    It also showed my staff who posted more in off topic than the role playing forums, who only took part in the role playing forums, and who took part in all forums.
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  16. karrott

    karrott Active Member

    I did this on one of my sites, and have had no problems with it. Users can get a general idea of how many posts they've made from their "user level". I've found that by disabling the raw post count, the amount of spam has also gone down because users are no longer tempted to post just to increase their own post count.
  17. Saeed

    Saeed Well-Known Member

    That is actually very nice idea, Lawrence. I do agree that generally members with high post counts tend to focus less on the quality of their content, and sometimes post in bits and pieces rather than in one single go. Whereas quality posters barely bother with the post count and make sure what they post is a delight to read or contributes to the community as a whole. An awarding system which is based on PQI would be an excellent idea. :)
  18. anotheralias

    anotheralias Well-Known Member

    I don't show the count on one forum except in their profile. But it's a small forum and we've all been together for years, so it's less of an issue for us than on some big board full of strangers.

    On the other forum, the graphic under your name changes when you hit certain numbers in the post count , but the actual count only shows in your profile.

    I'll probably go with a title change per post counts with XenForo. And maybe, the ability to customize your title after you acquire x amount of posts. Assuming that's possible.

    I do agree that post counts are important to people - I run the Mod that saves your post count if threads are deleted even though the post counts aren't on the postbit - because they will notice if posts disappear. I would never take them off anything but the postbit, for that reason.
  19. Dean

    Dean Well-Known Member

    Quality is a reasonably subjective item to measure. Sometimes simple answers are best, other times a more complete or longer post is more appropriate.

    I am not sure how to measure that accurately.

    In addition what one person finds helpful & interesting, the next person may not.

    These are difficult concepts to quantify.
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  20. anotheralias

    anotheralias Well-Known Member

    I agree, sometimes the person whose posts are the shortest is also the person who is first to help someone (or even, just let them know they aren't being ignored if they can't help), or sympathize with them if they're having a bad day, or laugh at their joke when nobody else did. And yes, I'm thinking of a specific person there.

    I'm pretty sure any kind of a 'value detector' would devalue her down to practically a spammer, but you know how some people in a forum are the glue? She's the glue.

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