if they really wanna care about the kids.....this is not the way to do that, this is something else more about money and control. we can likely be sure some of the tossers that made these laws are pedos...IMHO!
UK Online Safety Regulations and impact on Forums
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Suzanne O
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You'd hope they'd have a working with children check like what all aussie adults need to carry.
Working with Children Check
The Working with Children Check is a screening process for assessing or re-assessing people who work with or care for children in Victoria.
www.vic.gov.au
Mr Lucky
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The site is baffling. After going through the six steps I find that it applies to my site(s)
I then click on the button to find out what to do:
And all I get is a feedback form asking if it's helpful or not
If you skip that you just get a page implying you cannot check until 2025
I then click on the button to find out what to do:
And all I get is a feedback form asking if it's helpful or not
If you skip that you just get a page implying you cannot check until 2025
plenty of sites are over 18 as a rule of membership etc but the issue of verification comes and then so are we forced to ask for everyones government IDs? it does seem like perhaps blocking the UK could be the easier way...force UK users to use a VPN or such and how will they intend to verify "current UK members"? etc etc.....
they will go after the big money first, and some code will be created by platforms or 3rd parties in that time to make compliance more practical but im not sure its worth it or to even encourage them jumping thru their hoops
they will go after the big money first, and some code will be created by platforms or 3rd parties in that time to make compliance more practical but im not sure its worth it or to even encourage them jumping thru their hoops
Mr Lucky
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Where does it say that?
frm
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I use ID.me across several sites, but I don't think it's cheap for verification.
Perhaps, integrating an ID.me type of login, but pushing members to get verification under the IRS or something could work, unless they require the sites to employ them to verify, which I assume isn't cheap.
I suspect there will be something similar in the UK, and have to be free or at a reduced cost if this is forced, otherwise there will be unfair competitive advantages to complete barriers of entry.
(I believe ID.me is for the US only)
The guidance hasnt been published yet which is why people are blowing this up our of proportion.
I imagine that most small sites (as in, not facebook or instagram etc) will have some very basic requirements to add in if anything at all.
im trying to imagine how compliance could be possible even and some sites like facebook already use that(requiring ID) for a go to....im sure if some central ID verification app doesnt exist its being coded as im typing but i cant imagine requiring users to trust that...
big money industrial move. they are surely investing in and/or creating these apps that will be required to comply with their law lol...
Mr Lucky
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Yet OP mentions there are 1000s of pages of it and forums are closing down because of it. People here are saying they will block UK users.
Speculation is fine, but it should be made clear that's what it is.
I would speculate that if there is anything a forum software needs to provide then xenForo will do so. One thing I have always been concerned about is what might go on in DMs so have restricted attachments for DMs but it may become useful either for links and hot linked images to be restricted via permissions or for them to be easily visible to moderators. I already tell users that DMs are not "private" in that although we don't make it a policy to read them, that they can be read if the circumstances are appropriate.
frm
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There really is no need for that with the ACP Content > Attachments Attachment browser.
You can filter attachments by Direct message replies, do random sweeps deleting anything against your ToS, and taking the appropriate measures you see fit against the offenders.
Mr Lucky
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Alpha1
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If you use cloudflare you can activate csam image scanning.
developers.cloudflare.com
CSAM Scanning Tool · Cloudflare Cache (CDN) docs
The Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM) Scanning Tool allows website owners to proactively identify and take action on CSAM located on their website. By enabling this tool, Cloudflare will compare content served for your website through the Cloudflare cache to known lists of CSAM. These lists are...
developers.cloudflare.com
frm
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I've been looking for a solution forever, with my next step being a FOIA FBI request to get hashes of files.If you use cloudflare you can activate csam image scanning.
CSAM Scanning Tool · Cloudflare Cache (CDN) docs
The Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM) Scanning Tool allows website owners to proactively identify and take action on CSAM located on their website. By enabling this tool, Cloudflare will compare content served for your website through the Cloudflare cache to known lists of CSAM. These lists are...
Why don't they advertise this? I was searching "CSAM hash file" etc. and nada. Just a paid service from the UK.
Thank you!
The guidance for age verification hasn't been published yet., but many of the other guidelines were published this month (I have linked to some of these below) which is why it is coming to a head now. The guidance places significant burdens on providers (ie those of us running forums), even the smallest of them where "multi-risk" applies. I am hoping that Xenforo will be adding to the admin tools to help is meet some of the obligations.
Xenforo also needs to meet of these obligations as they provide a hosted service for I assume a significant number of forums and will be responsible for ensuring that all of those comply with the new obligations - so post deletions will have to be documented together with the reasons for deletion, a formal complaints process will have to be in place and dealt with in a timely fashion, risk assessements will need doing, conversation messages will have to be scanned for illegal content and so it goes on.
Forums are by definition User to User services and unless you are pre-moderating messages before they are displayed there is a good chance you will fall into the multi-risk category whatever size your forum is.
Some of the many guidelines:
Quick guide to illegal content codes of practice
One way services can keep their users safe is to adopt the measures in our codes of practices. Find out what measures we've proposed in our draft codes.
I don't think there are many, if any people here who would let any of that be seen on any of their sites.
Most responsible forum owners already run their forums with much tighter rules than the act forces on us - so it just amounts to a whole lot more work and concern for us and weaponises trolls to cause issues.
Meanwhile the large providers will continue as before - do we really expect this to change the way X and Meta behave?
Mr Lucky
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Where in the regulations does it say that?
I will see if I can find out which document/section it is in later, but there is a bit about preserving the freedom of expression for UK users which implies they can complain if we delete their posts and then we have to respond to that complaint in a timely fashion. I don't really see how that can be done without recording the moderators thought process at the time. I am fairly sure I read somewhere that this had to be held for 3 years too unless I dreamt that. There really is so much to take in and its scattered across multiple documents.
Xenforo obviously already has a "reason for deletion" field which will go some way towards this, but we might have to make that compulsory, and also ensure posts are only ever soft-deleted.
Alpha1
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Often posts are deleted after a report has been submitted. The report would be part of the moderator decision process. But when you look at a deleted post you will not see if there is a report about the post. It would be useful if there was an indicator on the post that links to the report.
Smartea
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England sucks.
As a minority person with multiple golden willi wonka tickets, i am authorized by the holy spirit of science to voice my opinion that this only means 0 improvement in life saving, but an increase in money and thus financial hits to consumers and even more unneeded beauracracy.
I think I'm gonna take my Fauci Ouchies now, because i need something to soothe me.
As a minority person with multiple golden willi wonka tickets, i am authorized by the holy spirit of science to voice my opinion that this only means 0 improvement in life saving, but an increase in money and thus financial hits to consumers and even more unneeded beauracracy.
I think I'm gonna take my Fauci Ouchies now, because i need something to soothe me.
Mr Lucky
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But freedom of expression is nothing to do with posts on a website, I don't follow that implication.. It's my site I can delete what content I like. I think maybe you are reading too much into the phrase "freedom of expression"