Strongly recommend integrating AI functionality
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Digital Doctor
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Sounds pie in the sky. Give examples ?
smallwheels
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By whome? And on which foundation? It might be the case that you would like to see an AI integration - but that is very far from "it is recommended". There are some people that would like to see AI in XenForo while for others it would be a reason to look for a different forum software.
sniper756
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The ima app mentioned above can use AI (such as DeepSeek) to generate exclusive answers for users' private databases, independent of the entire network database. Try it or Check the functions of this app on Xiaohongshu.
Algorithms and AI-powered apps occupy most of users' time, and ordinary communities only survive in the cracks.
I hope XenForo gets better and better and remains technically advanced. But frankly, community software without algorithm recommendations and AI is really outdated.
Below are my previous recommendations based on algorithmic recommendations.
smallwheels
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This reads like an AI generated answer, given the combination of tone, lacking substance, dramafulness and complete lack of understandable and useful content.
Mendalla
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As I always say with requests like this, either an add-on or something that is easily disabled. Not everyone will want this so don't force it on people.
The AI thread summaries I see on a Circle site that I am on rarely offer anything that I can't get just by reading the post and comments.
The AI thread summaries I see on a Circle site that I am on rarely offer anything that I can't get just by reading the post and comments.
It most certainly isn't. IMHO most users who are happy with recommendations and AI answers will not visit forums any longer sooner or later - and those who still want to use forums don't want AI assistence, they want to talk to humans.
This is the key selling point for forums, so adding user-facing AI features might in fact be counter productive.
beerForo
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If they do delve into AI for search perhaps it could be added to the Enhanced Search add-on. Right now the way similar threads works is by title and the first few words of the post, but an AI summary of the entire thread could help in choosing that thread instead of starting your own.
sniper756
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Algorithm-based content recommendations and AI-generated responses are not divorced from human interaction. Let's wait two to three years and see what features the major mainstream community software will have.
Think about why algorithm-based social media apps like TikTok take up the vast majority of users' time.
Masetrix
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As soon as human forum or social media users fear that AI will answer their questions, they will return to more places where real people can answer their questions.
The internet as a whole will experience a hype that is the opposite of what it used to be.
smallwheels
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Think about the diffences between Tiktok and a forum. If you prefer TikTok - why don't you become a creator and consumer there?
smallwheels
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BTW: DeepSeek is a Chinese company. South Korea, Italy, Taiwan and Australia have already taken action against them due to privacy concerns. Germany is about to start an investigation to ban it from the app stores. In the US, employees of several institutions like i.e. NASA and minsetry of defense are not allowed to use it. So problaby far from a good recommendation. For privacy reasons and as probably the use of XF would possibly fall under regulation in these countries if DeepSeek was integrated. Integrating DeepSeek into XF would thus be suicidal.
Mendalla
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I don't actually have an issue with this one and, done right, I would implement it.
The AI piece, I can take or leave but I am still not a fan of LLMs. I had a thread about AI on social sites already and my users reaction was very much "don't" so it would never happen on my current site.
But if I was spinning up a new site and the capability was there? I would see if there is a use case. But I am not ready to advocate for it in base. @beerForo mentioned it as an enhancement for Enhanced Search and that makes more sense to me.
Chromaniac
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was just wondering how much storage space and resources would a locally hosted open source llm require to just locally process the content of the forum and provide a Q&A interface for responding to queries right on the forum.
smallwheels
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Depends. I.e. the biggest version of Metas Llama (LLaMA 3.1 405B) requires 750GB to 2TB of disc space, the whole repository is 4,9TB. However, there are smaller versions. You should also not ignore the other hardware requirements, namely VRAM:
Meta Llama AI Requirements [What you Need to Use It] 💻
The release of Meta’s Llama family of models has been nothing short of revolutionary, democratizing access to state-of-the-art AI. However, for developers and AI enthusiasts eager to run these powerful tools on their own hardware, a significant challenge has emerged: finding clear, consolidated...
llamaimodel.com
But depending from what you want to achieve and do it might get smaller than this. Also, there ist Llama 4 in the meantime which problably needs more ressources.
Llama 3.1 - 405B, 70B & 8B with multilinguality and long context
We’re on a journey to advance and democratize artificial intelligence through open source and open science.
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meta-llama/Llama-3.1-405B · What is the size of the whole repo?
It seems like my 2TB SSD is not ready for this...
huggingface.co
What Is the Size of LLaMA 3.1 405B?
LLaMA 3.1 405B is one of the most advanced large language models (LLMs) developed by Meta AI, and its size is a key factor that influences…
Getting the models
You can get the Meta Llama models directly from Meta or through Hugging Face or Kaggle.
www.llama.com
sniper756
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Algorithm recommendation is used to present users with content they find more interesting; AI is not for generating community topics, but to enhance search functionality—generated answers are based on existing community content, with original topic links attached to search results. Additionally, it’s not mandatory to use DeepSeek; other options are acceptable as long as they are cost-effective and perform reliably.
Moreover, the core of any community lies in its content. Whether to use XenForo, implement algorithm recommendations, or integrate AI is secondary. To everyone here: How many registered users do your communities have? How many are active? Why are fewer people using forum software these days? Can platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok be seen as advanced iterations of deeply developed forum systems?
Standalone community forum software has become outdated and is now primarily suited for use as specialized knowledge bases.
Moreover, the core of any community lies in its content. Whether to use XenForo, implement algorithm recommendations, or integrate AI is secondary. To everyone here: How many registered users do your communities have? How many are active? Why are fewer people using forum software these days? Can platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok be seen as advanced iterations of deeply developed forum systems?
Standalone community forum software has become outdated and is now primarily suited for use as specialized knowledge bases.
Elliott Ruth
New member
You say nothing concrete. Be more specific.
smallwheels
Well-known member
He is probably an AI himself (or uses one to write his postings). A useless and fruitless discussion anyway as most people do have their opinion about that topic, the OP does not seem interested to discuss but rather wants others to follow his opinion, the question he asks in his last post have been discussed a thousand times already in this forum and apart from that: XF have been struggeling to deliver releases for years. There is kind of a roadmap for 2.4 and 3.0 and I would not expect it before 2026. And these are small features- So clearly, to expect XF to integrate AI (even if they were willing to) would not happen (apart from that it would be a bad business decision anyway).
grabacontroller
Member
Ai sounds good. Just give us a option to disable it.
If not, somebody could always make a plugin even using Ai, since Ai can code..
If not, somebody could always make a plugin even using Ai, since Ai can code..
