Im not clear even how to ask how and why this happens. After setting up admin user group I make a forum and there is no upload in that forum for the admin. then I go to node permissions set everything to yes for the admin and I still dont get the upload box. What Im trying to do is have a new user group that is the only group that can upload a photo to the group and also give the admins and mods the full rights. What can be changing the rights?