If only we had a simpler update process... :)

[51463]

And this in and of itself is the biggest argument AGAINST it.
How do you know if there are problems/fixes with certain add-ons. You don't until you do the "handy dandy, super duper, auto-update routine" and it craters your site because the update is incompatible with certain add-ons you have running.

I don't understand your response. What do you mean by 'how do you know if there are problems /fixes with certain add-ons.

The admin panel would tell you all this. The change log for the add-on/conflicts.

Even now you wouldn't know if there would conflicts until you install the add-on. So theres so difference except this way is easier.

 

[TPerry]

I don't understand your response. What do you mean by 'how do you know if there are problems /fixes with certain add-ons.

The admin panel would tell you all this. The change log for the add-on/conflicts.

Even now you wouldn't know if there would conflicts until you install the add-on. So theres so difference except this way is easier.

It doesn't now... there is no way for them to be able to detect those conflicts until (as you said) you install the update.... and once you do that you are already screwed because the conflicts now exist because you were not aware of them because you used an automated process and hadn't researched to see if any problems might exist.

You refer to a "change log".... you actually expect the developers to go through and install EVERY add-on and find out if it conflicts, then make a note of it?


It's apparent that you haven't been bitten by the problem that has hit numerous people with the upgrades as they are done now when they didn't READ the instructions/forum where problems were found and discussed. They just willy-nilly upgraded and then found stuff borked.

 

[EQnoble]

I don't understand your response. What do you mean by 'how do you know if there are problems /fixes with certain add-ons.

The admin panel would tell you all this. The change log for the add-on/conflicts.

Even now you wouldn't know if there would conflicts until you install the add-on. So theres so difference except this way is easier.

It doesn't really work that way, there is no existing code base to check and tell you what addons may or may not conflict with another, at best you get an error message when you get one and have to hand it over to someone else who either already knows or has the ability and time to sort it out. On top of that, you now would require that all people who make things for others (for no other reason than they want to and many time for free)... to possibly change the entire structure of their addon as well as add a whole bunch of other code to come close to the features of an easy installer that you describe.

Most developers I have met in my life, are self starters who work for themselves and define the working parameters of their day on their own, a system like you imply would literally force people of free will to either work a certain way or leave and in the end this will cause a loss for the entire community.

Make this consideration, if updating an addon is such an arduous task, imaging what it takes to make that same addon from scratch and support it and then be asked to rewrite the entire thing so that one of the two steps someone must take (generally speaking) to use it can be done instead with one click. A system like that would be more of an impedance than a turbo and would slow down development even for the most trivial of addons/modifications.

 

[Jeffin]

It doesn't really work that way, there is no existing code base to check and tell you what addons may or may not conflict with another, at best you get an error message when you get one and have to hand it over to someone else who either already knows or has the ability and time to sort it out. On top of that, you now would require that all people who make things for others (for no other reason than they want to and many time for free)... to possibly change the entire structure of their addon as well as add a whole bunch of other code to come close to the features of an easy installer that you describe.

Most developers I have met in my life, are self starters who work for themselves and define the working parameters of their day on their own, a system like you imply would literally force people of free will to either work a certain way or leave and in the end this will cause a loss for the entire community.

Make this consideration, if updating an addon is such an arduous task, imaging what it takes to make that same addon from scratch and support it and then be asked to rewrite the entire thing so that one of the two steps someone must take (generally speaking) to use it can be done instead with one click. A system like that would be more of an impedance than a turbo and would slow down development even for the most trivial of addons/modifications.

Please pardon my technical ignorance. I think a good way to implement one click update is to run it parallel to the old system of doing it. Those add-on developers who think they will mutually benefit from one-click updates can change their existing add-ons to support it or they can begin making new ones that support it.

If we are worried about one-click updates accidentally breaking our site, couldn't we just ignore that update and leave it for a later time? Is xf so different from wordpress so much that it's difficult for us to implement it? May be I am missing something. Never-mind if this can't be implemented soon but we can at-least plan for it right? One-click/auto updates is everywhere now that the future is in the cloud.

One click updating doesn't make your site any more secure than the existing way.

It does imho.

Just the convenience of a single click update will encourage me to keep my sites updated daily. It's the same with my anti-virus, my softwares, os, my phones and so on. I am at peace knowing that all my softwares are latest and secure. My host will do my server related upgrades for me so no problem there. People like me will most definitely benefit from it.

Why did I know that was what it was being compared against.

You knew it all along.

 

[Mr Lucky]

I do think people will like a one click update. However the xenforo system is a bit safer at the moment in that people do need at least to install and know how to configure an FTP application. Also have a basic knowledge about creating and configuring a mySql database for the initial forum install.

If they don't need to do this, then there will be many people who install with no knowledge whatsoever of FTP, and so do not make back ups of either their files or database.

This means if it all goes pear shaped their only recourse to quickly getting it all back and working may be hoping their host has a recent backup, which is only likely if they are paying for it. Even then they will no doubt lose hours of postings.

When I update wordpress I do use the auto update, however I still take the time to download files and make a copy of the database.