How President Obama can create jobs...
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Fred Sherman
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Two of your four examples are tainted. China is probably the best example of market capitalism in the world today. Canada's limited socialism is only workable because of their close proximity to the United States. Luckily for them, 90% of their population lives within 100 miles of the US border, especially useful for anyone needing immediate medical care.
But I assume the gist is that the rest of the world doesn't view socialism as a negative outcome. Sadly true.
Wired
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Every president has to deal with the after-effects of the presidents before them. I'm no expert on this stuff, but it's safe to say that these issues probably didn't magically start the first day he came to office. Same goes for most issues at that level. They have been around for years and many hands / choices are to blame.
IF this link is right, then we were at a low spot (in terms of gas prices) when he came to office: http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24
Why? No idea, don't follow that stuff
As for our current cost of gas, we still pay a lot less than some other countries: http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/03/29/gas-prices-world-high-low-country-pain-pump/
Can the drilling be done SAFELY? IIRC a news report a while back said that there are multiple oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico that aren't used anymore, but aren't being checked up on either, and some have issues. Can't find a reputable link to back my memory up though.
Basically though, it needs to be done properly, safely, and a plan / money needs to be in place to maintain a well's structure / seals AFTER it's out of service for a certain period of time.
el canadiano
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Canada's unfree economy? (for the record, I used a source from a US conservative think tank) Note you beat China in this index, though I listed them because they (unfortunately, because they shouldn't) ridicule Americans behind their backs and not due to a political system or whatnot. In addition, Canada doesn't really need the US healthcare system nor their economy, as Canada does, after all, outrank the US in indexes such as healthy life expectancy or even just plain old life expectancy, not to mention bankruptcy due to a medical bill doesn't exist in Canada (or any other developed nation). As well, for the last twenty years, Canada has been finding new people to trade with, which results in less of a downturn in Canada's part if the US falls down again (though it still does affect Canada).
As well, most people don't view a system as bad. They might not agree with it, but many of them see aspects of each system and use parts of it. Besides, when it doesn't work, it's usually due to mismanagement (in general) and not the system itself. That's the difference between a Sweden and a Greece. It's also the difference (not a socialist example) between Florida or Texas, as another example.
ChemicalKicks
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Fred Sherman
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That country clearly isn't the US.
We pay a gas tax for the roads, so thats already paid for. We pay property taxes to fund public education and we pay out the ass for college tuitions. Our fire department is made up on volunteers and our police force is paid for through property taxes and city sales taxes.
If the bill has already been paid for those services, what is the "social contract" to pay more going to fund?
Maybe thats why Americans don't view socialism with the same fondness that the rest of you do. We've already paid those bills.
But whats interesting is that if we extend that same logic of paying for the security provided by others, I think enough of the world is in our debt that we might be able to erase our debt and deficit just be sending out the bills.
We pay a gas tax for the roads, so thats already paid for. We pay property taxes to fund public education and we pay out the ass for college tuitions. Our fire department is made up on volunteers and our police force is paid for through property taxes and city sales taxes.
If the bill has already been paid for those services, what is the "social contract" to pay more going to fund?
Maybe thats why Americans don't view socialism with the same fondness that the rest of you do. We've already paid those bills.
But whats interesting is that if we extend that same logic of paying for the security provided by others, I think enough of the world is in our debt that we might be able to erase our debt and deficit just be sending out the bills.