The Demise of the United States is Inevitable

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Texas would gladly take that deal! Can we sign it at Washington on the Bazos? We'll be happy to keep our $255 billion in income tax too. You lose 1/12th of your federal budget and you can return 11.24% of the US military back to us as well. And don't forget, we produce more oil that any state, we have 25% of the US oil refinery capacity, we produce 30% of the nation's natural gas supply and we are the top wind-powered energy producer.

So yeah, we'll take that deal.
 
craigiri said:
Will the United States last forever? Of course not - no nation really does. But some just morph - Greece and Italy have been around in one form or another for thousands of years.
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The entire concept of a country hasn't been around very long.
At the end of world war 2, I think people strongly identified with their country.
In 300 years, I don't think people will feel the same way about countries.
Certainly this forum itself shows geographical boundaries are not nearly as important.
 
Workplaces ban not only smoking, but smokers themselves


Working and smoking
Twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia have laws that protect smokers' rights (in blue).
Source: American Lung Association
s bans on smoking sweep the USA, an increasing number of employers — primarily hospitals — are also imposing bans on smokers. They won't hire applicants whose urine tests positive for nicotine use, whether cigarettes, smokeless tobacco or even patches.
Such tobacco-free hiring policies, designed to promote health and reduce insurance premiums, took effect this month at the Baylor Health Care System in Texas and will apply at the Hollywood Casino in Toledo, Ohio, when it opens this year.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/indus...-01-03/health-care-jobs-no-smoking/52394782/1
 
iTuN3r said:
Workplaces ban not only smoking, but smokers themselves
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This is so not possible.
If you do this (not hire smokers because they cost too much in insurance) then you definitely can't hire : obese people, people who drink too much alcohol.

Ban people who speed ? Should you ban hiring depressed people ?
 
Well things are going downhill what happened all that freedom stuffs they used to have in United states .
 
Baylor can and will do it. Texas is a right to work state. They can pretty much do anything they want as long as it doesn't violate federal law. Smokers are not a protected group, so yeah, they can. I wouldn't be surprised if they follow up with a hiring ban on obese applicants too. A point of total disclosure, I served as a hospital chaplain for two years at Baylor Hospital in Dallas.
 
Fred Sherman said:
Baylor can and will do it. Texas is a right to work state. They can pretty much do anything they want as long as it doesn't violate federal law. Smokers are not a protected group, so yeah, they can. I wouldn't be surprised if they follow up with a hiring ban on obese applicants too. A point of total disclosure, I served as a hospital chaplain for two years at Baylor Hospital in Dallas.
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I understand about Hopitals they have right to do so ! everytime i visit hospital (my gf is nurse) i see bunch of employees lined up outside building and smoking i always wondered about hospital policy about that .

There more chance that this issue will grow bigger and hit the other areas as well .
 
Fred Sherman said:
Texas would gladly take that deal! Can we sign it at Washington on the Bazos? We'll be happy to keep our $255 billion in income tax too. You lose 1/12th of your federal budget and you can return 11.24% of the US military back to us as well. And don't forget, we produce more oil that any state, we have 25% of the US oil refinery capacity, we produce 30% of the nation's natural gas supply and we are the top wind-powered energy producer.

So yeah, we'll take that deal.
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I'll take it too!
Ask Rick Perry to pray for it.....
This will allow you to drop that pesky minimum wage and have 50% of your population uninsured instead of 25%.
You might also be able to build even more of those coal plants.
Don't worry - we'll still buy the oil and gas from ya.....
Producing gas and oil is just as well done by Mexico, Venezuela, the Saudis, the Russians, etc.
Last time I checked you were not giving us a better deal than they were - in fact, the other way around since we give subsidies.
:)
 
iTuN3r said:
Well things are going downhill what happened all that freedom stuffs they used to have in United states .
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Freedom has been updated to "the freedom to prey on you for your last dime when you are sick and old".

Seriously. That is some peoples idea of freedom.
 
Digital Doctor said:
The entire concept of a country hasn't been around very long.
At the end of world war 2, I think people strongly identified with their country.
In 300 years, I don't think people will feel the same way about countries.
Certainly this forum itself shows geographical boundaries are not nearly as important.
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I think you are correct. IMHO, a lot of the conflict and power grabs (neo-cons here, for instance) are desperate moves by governments which feel power slipping out of their hands.
When there is less communication, a person in America might be OK working until 70 and having only 2 weeks vacation, no time off to raise children, etc.
But when they hear that a Dane or a German or a Norwegian lives MUCH better by any measurement (except McMansions and bigger cars), they are going to eventually wonder where the money went.
 
craigiri said:
Heck, we liberal states tend to get a bit tired of hearing our Confederate Brothers complaining all the time. If they want to secede, god speed to them. We'll still trade with them and everything will be honky dory (at least for us).
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I've been saying this all along. To all the neo-confederates who still harbor resentment over losing the Civil War, I say stop torturing us with your constant whining about state rights. Secede already! sheesh.
 
Diana said:
I say stop torturing us with your constant whining about state rights. Secede already! sheesh.
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10th Amendment to the US Constitution - Bill of Rights said:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Is there any other part of the Bill of Rights you'd like people to not whine about? Freedom of Religion, maybe?


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I was Protestant.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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Attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
 
What the heck does what Martin Niemöller said about the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany have to do with States Rights?

The South used the same phrases from the Consititution and the Bill of Rights to justify secession 150 years ago. Except then they wanted the right to own slaves, today they want the right to ban abortion, ban marriage equality, and exempt themselves from the separation of church and state. Same thing, same old.
 
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereofFirst, since there is no enumerated power to the federal government with regard to abortion, states do have the right to decide the issue for themselves. I find the practice personally repulsive, but if I state wants to allow it or prohibit it, I recognize their right to do so and my right to live in a state whose laws are inconsistent with my personal views.

I have already posted elsewhere how I would handle same sex marriage in a way that would respect the rights of states, the neutrality of the federal government and protect the religious freedom of denominations that choose to allow it.

As to the separation clause, do you know where that appears in the Constitution? No where. However it does say, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Lets revisit abortion for a moment. You will find faith-base opposition to the practice from the Catholic Church, several baptist denominations, jews and muslims. Its a cross cultural value that isn't limited to an individual faith tradition or Church, so banning the practice has nothing to do with making "a law respecting an establishment of religion" or violating the separation clause.

What remains the same is that liberals are by and large ignorant about history, civics and law. They can serve up platitudes but can't expand upon them with any critical analysis.
 
Huh.......
I thought this was about whether the US was going to meet it's demise?
Wow, once you fire up those cons they certainly like to repeat all the talking points! What Fred probably means to say is we all are heathen and kill babies for breakfast and are like Nazis. I wasn't aware that government had been forcing catholics to terminate their preggys...
Fred is right that we libs can't offer any critical analysis. That requires taking a side and then bending everything to fit it. We libs think that history just "is" and we learn from it and watch it. We only judge it from our current perches. For instances, Freds state was forcibly taken from the Mexicans. I'm sure the US Constitution addresses whether that was "right" or "wrong". Turns out the Texas settlers had a vast economic interest in having slaves - and that was not legal in Mexico. Mexico wanted the USA immigrants to actually produce food, beef, etc.
My state was largely taken from the Indians - by force of arms.

So, Fred, when is the demise and how will we know in advance?
 
Its already been covered. We have out of control spending and an unsustainable, unpayable debt. Half the people are unwilling to cut social services, the other half won't increase taxes.

The current levels of spending would have to be cut across the board by 40.69% - just to balance the budget.

Now go ahead and TRIPLE the tax burden on the top 1%. Lets live in fairytale land for a moment and assume that it wouldn't kill the economy. They would have to sustain that burden for the next 17 years to pay off the debt.

It is an unavoidable trajectory. It is the same one the Soviet Union was on in the mid 1980s. And when it comes, change will occur just as quickly. Texas will play the role of the Ukraine.
 
Fred Sherman said:
Texas will play the role of the Ukraine.
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I agree. That Gulf oil spill was sort of like our Chernobyl. I'm sure TX has many more such disasters ready for us as pipelines leaks, wells explode and refineries catch on fire.

So, Texas will play the part of environmental disasters. What part will New England play? That's all I care about.....
 
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