UK Online Safety Regulations and impact on Forums

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Just tick a box to say you are the parent? :giggle: I agree, that seems totally unworkable.
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So maybe that option can be ignored! I'm a parent (without verifying I am) and I say my child is over 16/18 or whatever. Unless it means getting a parent to do their age verification document scanning for them? Because they're nervous about having their documents scanned? Or unless it means - I want my parent to pretend they are me 🤣
 
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I'm still at a blank though.

Affordable Options

One ID is offputting, when entering your banking app. And limited to Uk users and people who do online banking (despite being free)
Shufti Pro is the most affordable option - but offputting because users need to tick a box to say they consent to Shufti using and storing their data.

Expensive options:

Verifymy has two good options but needs £2000 upfront (and ongoing would be about £50 a month (ie about £600 a year)
Luciditi has an annual fee of £550 as well as verifications, which, with VAT makes it about £900 a year for 100 verifications a month.
Yoti is out of the question at £200 a month.
 
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Alvin63 said:
I'm still at a blank though.

Affordable Options

One ID is offputting, when entering your banking app. And limited to Uk users and people who do online banking (despite being free)
Shufti Pro is the most affordable option - but offputting because users need to tick a box to say they consent to Shufti using and storing their data.

Expensive options:

Verifymy has two good options but needs £2000 upfront (and ongoing would be about £50 a month
Luciditi has an annual fee of over £550 as well as verifications, which, with VAT makes it about £900 a year for 100 verifications a month.
Yoti is out of the question at £200 a month.
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There's also a risk once facial age verification is implemented across the internet, more young folks try to game the technology and may expose potential weaknesses in accuracy and force OFCOM to rule out facial age estimation as allowable method. Then website operators would be stuck prepaying/paying for tech they can't use. Are OFCOM and those providers going to refund all their customers?
 
Well if you pay per verification that's not so bad. I'd be more concerned about the company going bust and having to get new API programming done with a different, more expensive option.

The details of some facial ones say they already account for deepfake spoofing.
 
Alvin63 said:
So I'm trialling Shufti Pro. Their backend seems a bit slow to load. Facial estimation seems to work well. Tried ID Document as well and that works well and you can opt to only extract date of birth from it. The first one I tested (myself) came up with a tick to show it was verified. After that it kept coming up with a message about waiting for approval? Did you find that @chillibear? Even though it showed as approved in the backend.
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Not something I noticed. The only "bug" I kept hitting was when (and granted this was via their API) setting an age for the verification was that it didn't reliably work unless I set the min and max ages (docs clearly showed that you could just set a min). As to the backend being a bit slow - yep I found everything was a little sluggish in general (including the checking).
 
I didn't find the checking sluggish really. And we discussed the data issue before. But I think many people wouldn't want to consent to having their data "used" and "stored". Next to that box to tick is a privacy link which gives details. It seems they say they can contact users to write reviews among other things. I think it's too offputting and I guess that's why they are cheaper.

Which Verifymy did you use that costs £1 per check (although I wouldn't want to pay £1 per check).

I guess I'd better start reading the child risk assessment documentation as haven't found a solution.
 
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One ID has a document and selfie verification option as a fallback if banking verification doesn't work but that's a minimum commitment of £87.50 a month (£1.75 per transaction for 50 transactions).
 
When I spoke with OneID they were quite flexible as long as they "got their money" so to speak. So they said they had a customer who ran events where they needed 600 verifications in a one or two month period and nothing for the rest of the year and for them they just paid the £1050 and they let them use those verifications as needed rather than being strict about "per month". I don't think they'd split them over years however. Given it may well still be too many "checks" for a small forum it might all be a moot point, but I thought it worth mentioning for those reading the thread.
 
That's good to know they are flexible about rollover verification type things, but it's still a minimum payment of £87.50 a month/£1050 a year
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To go with the free banking option, about a quarter of people over 55 don't use any form of online banking. 13% don't use any overall. (According to AI)

Basically all the companies are working out about £1000 a year or just under (apart from Shufti Pro which saves data, and Verifymy which is about £600 a year but has the 2k upfront). All based on 100 verifications per month.
 
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