I couldn't agree less. Users in general want simplicity. This is one of the reasons for the success of many websites including Google, Youtube, Twitter, Facebook and others; simple, clean design. Focus on content and functionality, not on tons of graphics and non-essential information.Awesome, And I do agree less is better but members or customers don't .
I don't believe there is any such thing as "users in general." If you have 100 users they will want 100 different things. That's pretty well demonstrated all over this forum. And right here in this short thread.Users in general want simplicity.
I don't believe there is any such thing as "users in general." If you have 100 users they will want 100 different things. That's pretty well demonstrated all over this forum. And right here in this short thread.
Google, Youtube and Twitter are not popular because they are simple. They are popular because of what they offer the user. You can wrap the information people want in moldy bread and dog crap and they will still flock to it (see: craigslist).
A forum is a forum. If you get the concept, as a visitor you can use any of them. All the different forums have to offer to potential administrators is ease of deployment and management. That's where they succeed or fail. The public interface is trivial. They all do the same basic things.
And frankly, that's why I'm more than a little baffled at the rabid enthusiasm here when only 5 or 6 users of this software know what managing it is really like. From what I can brilliantly deduce, everyone here is a forum administrator or a plug-in or style developer, and as an administrator or someone who is going to have to work with the guts of the thing, I'm not sure how can you so eagerly praise what you can't see.
Ultimately this software doesn't need anyone to defend it. If it works for people they will use it, and it won't matter what anyone says about it.
Well, I do. Of course not everyone is the same but there is definitely a consensus between people, and that is that they like it simple and easy on the web. There is no denying there, I'm sorry. Anyone with some knowledge about web design and usability will confirm this.I don't believe there is any such thing as "users in general." If you have 100 users they will want 100 different things. That's pretty well demonstrated all over this forum. And right here in this short thread.
And you do not consider a good usability part of what you offer a user? You really think that a user-friendly design does not contribute to the success of a website?Google, Youtube and Twitter are not popular because they are simple. They are popular because of what they offer the user. You can wrap the information people want in moldy bread and dog crap and they will still flock to it (see: craigslist).
I guess that's why vB4 received so much criticism on the new style, because no one cares right? It can look crappy and hard to use, but if it has all the features, it doesn't matter. I guess that's why this site is growing quicker than any forum software community out there and not in the least because of all the vB users attracted by how it looks, without knowing much if anything about the backend.A forum is a forum. If you get the concept, as a visitor you can use any of them. All the different forums have to offer to potential administrators is ease of deployment and management. That's where they succeed or fail. The public interface is trivial. They all do the same basic things.
You just proved my point here, looks are important. And did you forget who is working on the backend? Do you even know? Most people trust these guys, they know what they're capable of. Also if you would have checked the Have You Seen...? forum you would know that the backend is as good as the front end, if not better.And frankly, that's why I'm more than a little baffled at the rabid enthusiasm here when only 5 or 6 users of this software know what managing it is really like.
From what I can brilliantly deduce, everyone here is a forum administrator or a plug-in or style developer, and as an administrator or someone who is going to have to work with the guts of the thing, I'm not sure how can you so eagerly praise what you can't see.
Well that's one thing we can agree onUltimately this software doesn't need anyone to defend it. If it works for people they will use it, and it won't matter what anyone says about it.
You can't compare photo sharing and forums. Apples and oranges.I work for a photo sharing site...
I think you might have missed the point. Craigslist is not simple by design. It appears simple now because it uses circa 1994 technology. It is archaic and ugly, yet people flock to it for the content.The very example you gave, craigslist, is a prime example of where a simplistic approach to doing things has been successful.
Content is not only important, it's everything.That's not to say content is not important, as it is, but it will only get you so far.
I must have missed the part where I said that. But, in all fairness, I could have been very drunk at the time, I will concede that.You really think that a user-friendly design does not contribute to the success of a website?
Incorrect. The people who used Google at first were geeks who were enamored with the improved results and preached and proselytized to anyone who would listen about the improved results. Typical web users at the time (and there were very few of us) didn't take http://google.stanford.edu seriously. It looked like a school project, which is exactly what it was.You really think that Google would have been this successful if the frontpage was cluttered like the other search engines at that time? Most people didn't even know about the better search results, they just found it easy to use because is looked simple.
No, did you? I read many No one at vB cares about us! posts in the old pre-IB vB forum, and I started to wonder, "Who are the creeps who build this software? They must be real a-holes if so many people are mad at them." Then I remembered, "Oh, that' right, this is the internet. People are demanding and fickle. It's got nothing to do with anything."And did you forget who is working on the backend?
It SHOULDN'T need defending, but the trolling is incredible lately.Ultimately this software doesn't need anyone to defend it. If it works for people they will use it, and it won't matter what anyone says about it.
Google, Youtube and Twitter are not popular because they are simple. They are popular because of what they offer the user.
XenForo is the real deal, and there's plenty of room for amazing styles, awesome plugins, and building all kinds of cool stuff on top of it.
From visiting around, it seems that they use other sites - including a certain blog or two - to come down on XF, even moreso than here.It SHOULDN'T need defending, but the trolling is incredible lately.
People are so angry and burnt out about vBulletin, they've come here to spread their vileness.
You can't compare photo sharing and forums. Apples and oranges.
I think you might have missed the point. Craigslist is not simple by design. It appears simple now because it uses circa 1994 technology. It is archaic and ugly, yet people flock to it for the content.
Content is not only important, it's everything.
I couldn't agree less. Users in general want simplicity. This is one of the reasons for the success of many websites including Google, Youtube, Twitter, Facebook and others; simple, clean design. Focus on content and functionality, not on tons of graphics and non-essential information.
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