???@The Dark Wizard worked his ass off since XF launched to make his site what it is now; it is literally not luck, it comes down to the fact that he has invested a lot of time and money into his community and has a niche that grew in popularity, but still managed to not lose out to his many competitors. Just as you are saying he is being arrogant and talking down to people, you are being dismissive and downplaying the work that was put in to get to where he is now.
Okay. Noted. Would have been nice to be lectured about my wrong opinions but why communicate it, right? Who needs communication? I am riding my narrative anyway. It must be nice to label everyone and anyone like that and then going back to the corner. Not arrogant at all, you guys know it all, sorry.Not really interested in replying to your response to my prior post as it's basically you just cherry picking for a narrative and makes assumptions and false equivalencies (such as comparing micro transactions to resource sales, or resource development to platform development).
Look. This is a proper communication style. It took several entire thread discussions, but here we are. Proper communication.Hello everyone, I'm here for general information dissemination and rumour management.
Let's start from the basics.
XenForo Ltd. is doing just fine. The developers are hard at work developing 2.3 and beyond, and the support staff are busy doing their thing too.
Yes, the volume of our postings on the forums has dropped but that is to be expected. We are now running a mature but still small company with roles that are far more clearly demarcated than those in a startup where everyone does a bit of everything. You may think you want to hear more from the developers here on the forums, but to do so would be at the expense of getting code completed.
A point has been raised about the volume of bug reports left outstanding, but I think it's important to balance that observation with an analysis of the severity and seriousness of those reports. XenForo 2.2 is a supremely stable piece of software and a decent quantity of the bug reports outstanding can be considered edge cases or trivial issues. When serious issues are reported, especially when they are security-related or have the capacity to affect large numbers of sites, we deal with them very swiftly.
I commonly see complaints that XenForo doesn't yet have feature x that person y desperately needs for their site and bemoaning the lack of a roadmap to see when and if that feature might become part of the core system. To this, I can only say that XenForo has a feature set that more than delivers the requirements of most communities, but it was always built as a platform upon which third party developers can build new application code that is in no way disadvantaged against core, first party systems. We are meticulous in maintaining backward compatibility wherever it is feasible to do so, even when it means that core development is held up as a result of having to maintain legacy systems. If your site requires a particular feature that is not currently part of the XenForo core product, post in the Resources and Add-ons forum to see if a third party developer is interested in building it using the XenForo add-on framework and best practices - that is really the essence of what XenForo is about.
I regret that 2.3 has taken longer than I anticipated to come to fruition. A combination of Mike stepping away from day-to-day operations, and the need to divert some development resources to building our Cloud platform has unfortunately resulted in 2.3 being later than we all would have liked.
To avoid a lot of unnecessary speculation with regard to Mike, he has been winding down his commitments to XenForo since before the release of 2.2 and hasn't been part of the active team for over a year. Like me, Mike has been building forum software for over twenty years, ten of them with XenForo and simply felt the time was right to move on.
XenForo 2.3 has been bubbling away for quite some time now and we are coming close to being able to show you the fruits of our labours. I'm confident you will all find something valuable in the new version when all is revealed.
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I didn't say anywhere that he didn't work his ass off at all. Also didn't say it is luck.
I am not downplaying or being dismissive about the work he has done. I didn't talk about his work at all. Actually, I would like to learn more about it since there is definitely things he could teach me/us. As I said, I am struggling with user engagement a lot and can't seem to solve this problem. So, pretty please teach me, I would be eternally grateful.
But not once or twice but multiple times he talked out of nowhere about people being unhappy because of unsuccessful sites and the result of that is such threads like mine. And I disagree with that and it comes off as arrogance to me. Because hard work or not, it is easy for a big successful site to talk down the struggles/problems since he doesn't have them. So it must be us according to that logic. And I think this is not true. Successful or not, my points made on here have nothing to do with that.
Again, I didn't say a word about his hard work. This thread has nothing to do with renewing or being successful or not.
Okay. Noted. Would have been nice to be lectured about my wrong opinions but why communicate it, right? Who needs communication? I am riding my narrative anyway. It must be nice to label everyone and anyone like that and then going back to the corner. Not arrogant at all, you guys know it all, sorry.
It is just like how @Starbucks said it here. Instead of attacking people, labeling people, trying to silence people, or trying to intimidate, can't we just have a normal discussion about this?
So far I didn't personally attack anyone here.
But I was called a stalker, whiner, being sad because I don't get attention from Mike and Chris, cherry picker and other things. Just why?
Thanks for taking your time, always appreciated.Hello everyone, I'm here for general information dissemination and rumour management.
Can we know who the support staff is right now? To me it looks like Brogan is the only one, correct?XenForo Ltd. is doing just fine. The developers are hard at work developing 2.3 and beyond, and the support staff are busy doing their thing too.
Of course you guys know it better and who am I to question it, but honestly, without any agenda or narrative or anything, purely from my heart, I feel like we have 0 communication channels with you developers. I believe that our ideas, voices, thoughts, questions, etc. are not getting heard.You may think you want to hear more from the developers here on the forums, but to do so would be at the expense of getting code completed.
There are 2 problems with this approach in my opinion if I may say so with all respect.If your site requires a particular feature that is not currently part of the XenForo core product, post in the Resources and Add-ons forum to see if a third party developer is interested in building it using the XenForo add-on framework and best practices - that is really the essence of what XenForo is about.
Will there be a replacement, new people hired? Mike is a very big loss sadly.To avoid a lot of unnecessary speculation with regard to Mike, he has been winding down his commitments to XenForo since before the release of 2.2 and hasn't been part of the active team for over a year.
As has always been the case, support from staff is only guaranteed via the ticket system where you may well be greeted by any one of the staff including Jon (@Slavik), Paul (@Brogan), Me, Kier, Gems (@Gemma Eastwood), Aakif (@NixFifty) and Jeremy (@Jeremy P) depending on what the specific query is.Can we know who the support staff is right now? To me it looks like Brogan is the only one, correct?
This is the crux of it. Thanks for explaining the situation to us, much appreciated.I regret that 2.3 has taken longer than I anticipated to come to fruition. A combination of Mike stepping away from day-to-day operations, and the need to divert some development resources to building our Cloud platform has unfortunately resulted in 2.3 being later than we all would have liked.
Awesome support when I had import issues.Well at least it seems ive been promoted to human anti spam bot
You're human? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!Well at least it seems ive been promoted to human anti spam bot
Well at least it seems ive been promoted to human anti spam bot
And we were celebrating it since then that we finally got new devs to the team which would make the pace of development much faster. But today we learned that actually Mike left, this means it got actually worse.
Thank you. I never use the ticket system so I never knew.As has always been the case, support from staff is only guaranteed via the ticket system where you may well be greeted by any one of the staff including Jon (@Slavik), Paul (@Brogan), Me, Kier, Gems (@Gemma Eastwood), Aakif (@NixFifty) and Jeremy (@Jeremy P) depending on what the specific query is.
He was listed yesterday. Guess they removed him today. And no mention of it so far. I will miss him, he helped me out with some SQL stuff many moons ago if I remember it correctly.Some comments from my perspective.
I think Jake left the company a while back... so, don't count him in the stats as staff (unless i'm wrong).
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And that has been shown historically here by several prolific add-on developers from the 1.x era that literally got burned out. Luckily several of them passed their add-ons to other developers to continue.as it just becomes a nightmare trying to support them all over a long period.
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