Australia filters internet
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dieketzer
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which filtering is this?
i know the 'clean feed' filter was on the table for years, but i dont think its actually been forced on people just yet, although a few isps may have secretly run their customers through it for a time.
possibly this is about the interpol block that telstra activated the other week? i think optus are going to use it as well, so theres 85% of the market right there between those two. but basically the clean feed and the interpol block are like comparing apples to oranges.
or is this about classification? australia has no 18+ rating for games, so there are more than a few that cannot be sold retail here. its never really been an issue for me though; i just import what i want or buy off ebay or download/steam or whatnot.
i know the 'clean feed' filter was on the table for years, but i dont think its actually been forced on people just yet, although a few isps may have secretly run their customers through it for a time.
possibly this is about the interpol block that telstra activated the other week? i think optus are going to use it as well, so theres 85% of the market right there between those two. but basically the clean feed and the interpol block are like comparing apples to oranges.
or is this about classification? australia has no 18+ rating for games, so there are more than a few that cannot be sold retail here. its never really been an issue for me though; i just import what i want or buy off ebay or download/steam or whatnot.
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Floris
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Sometimes I wonder if an ISP starts filtering, does that mean they are actively moderating their traffic - doesn't that mean they are injecting themselves in what the users are doing; ergo: Making them no longer exempt from that law that protects them from getting sued in cases like kiddie porn, piracy, and other things that are against the law?
If the ISP is supposed to moderate content, and I download something illegal. And I get sued for that, can't I - or perhaps the party sueing - consider pointing fingers at the ISP for not properly filtering their traffic, indirectly putting me in a position I shouldn't have been? Stats and docs by MPAA/RIAA show that a large amount of those who they file charges against appear to not know any better, thinking what they were downloading was actually legal because it was simply available.
An interesting though, that hopefully backfires at the ISP for bending to payoffs by the MAFIAA in a poor attempt to fight piracy and what not.
If the ISP is supposed to moderate content, and I download something illegal. And I get sued for that, can't I - or perhaps the party sueing - consider pointing fingers at the ISP for not properly filtering their traffic, indirectly putting me in a position I shouldn't have been? Stats and docs by MPAA/RIAA show that a large amount of those who they file charges against appear to not know any better, thinking what they were downloading was actually legal because it was simply available.
An interesting though, that hopefully backfires at the ISP for bending to payoffs by the MAFIAA in a poor attempt to fight piracy and what not.
dieketzer
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i know that in the case of australia they cannot 'listen' to communications, including electronic communications or data communications, without a court order.
what they can do is poison the dns, which is how it appears the interpol block functions. so its obviously a total wash because pedobear likely already uses google/open dns.
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Floris
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It's a shame that the industry always uses the argument of kiddie porn to get a law into their favor, no politician will ever say 'well, that is just nonsense, this is about..'. Why would the music industry use that argument otherwise, for example ..
Anyway, I am glad the NL has adopted to Net Neutrality - kinda .. i guess, I dunno .. I don't trust any of these institutions, most of them deciding can't use an operating system, let alone browse beyond facebook.
Anyway, I am glad the NL has adopted to Net Neutrality - kinda .. i guess, I dunno .. I don't trust any of these institutions, most of them deciding can't use an operating system, let alone browse beyond facebook.
dieketzer
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during the clean feed fiasco it was always said 'this is about kiddie porn' blah blah. then wikileaks ended up with a copy of the top-secret filterlist (more than once), which they published. in addition to sick things, it also contained domains for mainstream 'xxx-teens' type sites, anti-abortion websites, websites discussing/listing filters, gaming websites that featured unclassified games, etc etc. it became very clear that it wasnt only about kiddie porn.
ISPs don't monitor the users request, rather it blocks the hosts containing the illegal content, so as long as you are on the ISPs network, information from the server containing the illegal content will never be delivered.
Kim
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Misleading topic title, and the article is about how ineffectual gamers and other anti filter protesters have been in voicing their objections to a proposed filtering that is still in discussion and has not been implemented.
The article points out that whilst people are great at b*tchin and moaning online about a proposed filter, they apparently are not very good at submitting reasoned discussion points or arguments for thier viewpoint to the relevant body, dispite that body doing it's best to be accessable. To date the ALRC who is taking the submissions have only received 80.
Does make you wonder.
The article points out that whilst people are great at b*tchin and moaning online about a proposed filter, they apparently are not very good at submitting reasoned discussion points or arguments for thier viewpoint to the relevant body, dispite that body doing it's best to be accessable. To date the ALRC who is taking the submissions have only received 80.
Does make you wonder.
Kim
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True, I had no idea about them taking submissions either.
If none of us get in there though, they will be left with the impression that no one has a problem with the idea... perhaps it's time to spread the word about submitting a protest to the idea.
Anthony Parsons
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I honestly don't care what law they use, if its legitimate to stop people doing illegal things, then its a valid law. If people are downloading music or movies illegally, then if the ISP can stop it, go for it... the implications from such things are killing both those industries, which means you won't have movies to watch in the future or music to listen too, not like we have now, if people stop acting and singing because there is no money in it.
Use whatever is needed I say to stop any illegal issue people perform.
Use whatever is needed I say to stop any illegal issue people perform.
physicspirate
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Yeah, I agree, we should probably start profiling infants to ensure they come from a genetically superior line. Maybe even extend it to include their country of origin, because that is important as well. It may even be the best for everyone to volunteer for incarceration so you will never be tempted to do bad things. If you volunteer, they won't have to make up laws to get you in, which would save time and money.
Its probably too much to hope for though. I'll just have to be satisfied with a slow transition into that amazing situation.
Anthony Parsons
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I'm not sure what relevance your comments have to my statement being quoted, to be perfectly honest. One is after the fact, where knowing illegal activities are being performed, then your statement is complete sarcasm that references pre-emptive aspects. Apples and Oranges!
Alpha1
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All such internet filters do is make good business for VPN services.
Anthony: its not just a matter of blocking illegal topics, but a rather wide censoring of unwanted topics. Sure the premise is to counter child porn, terrorism, etc, but it doesn't come down to that. As always it comes down to abuse of power and pure censorship. It blocks poker sites, youtube sections, wikipedia pages, etc. The Australian internet filter it the strictest there is in the 'democratic' countries. Its certainly not far from the internet filters that non-democratic countries have.
http://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1839
Here are some tools to circumvent Internet Censorship: http://www.rajeshrana.net/2008/02/12/internet-censorship-circumvent-tools/
Anthony: its not just a matter of blocking illegal topics, but a rather wide censoring of unwanted topics. Sure the premise is to counter child porn, terrorism, etc, but it doesn't come down to that. As always it comes down to abuse of power and pure censorship. It blocks poker sites, youtube sections, wikipedia pages, etc. The Australian internet filter it the strictest there is in the 'democratic' countries. Its certainly not far from the internet filters that non-democratic countries have.
http://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1839
Here are some tools to circumvent Internet Censorship: http://www.rajeshrana.net/2008/02/12/internet-censorship-circumvent-tools/
Anthony Parsons
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Good info Alpha... I understand legitimate sites getting caught up in such filters, and I do hope they correct such things prior to sending them live.
I can understand some gambling sites being blocked, especially if they aren't regulated under the Australian gambling legislations that protect us all... and offcourse, earn money for the Government. I get not allowing people to gamble their money away to offshore companies... atleast gamble it away within the country so they get their cut. Makes sense in a sick and twisted type way... if all countries continue allowing monies to flow outward without control, that is how Governments endup in a world of hurt in the future.
Regulation has certainly helped Australia significantly within the GFC... so I am not personally going to say blocking such things is a bad thing. Just my opinion though...
I can understand some gambling sites being blocked, especially if they aren't regulated under the Australian gambling legislations that protect us all... and offcourse, earn money for the Government. I get not allowing people to gamble their money away to offshore companies... atleast gamble it away within the country so they get their cut. Makes sense in a sick and twisted type way... if all countries continue allowing monies to flow outward without control, that is how Governments endup in a world of hurt in the future.
Regulation has certainly helped Australia significantly within the GFC... so I am not personally going to say blocking such things is a bad thing. Just my opinion though...
Kim
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We (Australians) DO NOT have that filtering, the article you quoted is two years old, the "Proposed" filter is still under review and discussion.. hence the importance of those who feel aggrieved actually taking a proper approach to lodging a protest and not just mouthing off on the internet which does nothing.
Any AUSTRALIANS who are reading this.. if you have a strong opinion against the proposed Filter... then lodge an official protest via the ALRC website.. that is in fact all the original Posters quoted article is about.
